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Rep. Michele Bachmann

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Isn't EVERYTHING Obama's Fault?

It is if you ask Michelle Bachmann. Drought? Obama's fault. Hurricane? Obama's fault. Lack of consumer demand? Obama's fault. The fact that the Federal Reserve even exists? Obama's fault. Lack of jobs in Michelle's district? Obama's fault,...

(even though she hasn't so much as proposed, let alone passed a bill to help provide jobs at home nor done anything to protect her constituents from mortgage foreclosures, and has steadfastly resisted every attempt Obama has made to do so, while attacking him for making those attempts in the first place).

Of course Ms. Bachmann's only aim for being in politics seems to be to keep herself in the media spotlight while she remains completely oblivious to the needs and concerns of those who elected her.

Thank heavens that Ms. Bachmann was rejected, even by the Republicans as a candidate for president, because it seems her ideas about what the President of the United States can accomplish, especially in foreign countries, especially with the most obstructionist House of Representatives in US history, has no connection with reality.

But then, again, I also suspect she would have been happier if the US had sent in troops to prop up Khadafi so that the world could be kept safe from that evil of all evils: the Muslim Brotherhood (despite the fact that that would have meant that "freedom" and "democracy" would not have arrived in Libya for a few decades, yet, and taking such action would have exponentially increased hatred of America in the Arab world ).

And, by all means, we simply MUST ignore that the video that seems to have quite predictably and purposefully provoked this entire situation was produced and distributed by people claiming the label of "Christian" for themselves.

Of course the violence in the Arab world against the embassies and consulates of Western Christian nations is no more acceptable now than it was when it was perpetrated by "Christian" Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City a few years back.

In the same way we expect that others will be able to separate those of us Christians who would oppose this video's attempt to denigrate and offend the religion of other people and nations from the tiny number of people who are responsible for the video,

So it would be helpful for Ms. Bachmann and other "conservatives" to remember that the population of Islamic people in the Arab world runs into the hundreds of millions and those responsible for the current violence are a tiny minority.

Conflation

it's a mistake to put McVeigh in the same bag as the Muslim Brotherhood or any other organized Muslim group. well, maybe not .. they're both haters, but McVeigh was part of tiny group very unrepresentative of "Christians" while Al Queda and similar groups can count on official support from 'clerics' and represent a substantial strand of their culture.

that being said, Backmann's approach to just about everything is overly simplistic and completely biased and politicized to the point where there might be an occasional grain of truth in her statements, but it's really difficult to find.

So...

There is no Muslim "culture" as you argue. Islam is a religion with roots in a number of cultures, from middle easterners with a Semitic ethnic background to Asians and African Americans. When you write about the "substantial strand of "their" culture" that these groups share you are ignorantly inferring that Muslims are prone to violence and terrorism, and that this is an Islamic tradition and extends to the cultures that Islam is a part of.

Using your same logic we can make Timothy McVeigh representative of Americans. Our country has been a major player in dozens of wars and police actions over the past 50 years. We've backed bloody coups and supported a good number of right wing dictators. While you criticize Bachmann for being a simplistic and biased approach, you seem blind to your own simplistic view.

Amazons

I can see Michele and Condi Rice in their Amazon outfits leading the marines ashore in Iran.
Where do we find these people?

Because you're a sexist

This war on women by the democrats needs to stop.

It gives me great pleasure

to have the opportunity to say that Rep. Bachmann is 100% right.

Because people don't respect

Because people don't respect you if you try to show them a little respect? Maybe their hatred of us has more to do with years of Bush/Cheney policies of shoot, stomp, execute on top of decades of disrespect for the people of the Middle East. To blame Obama, then turn on the news and see that the British and the German embassies are also being attacked is just plain ridiculous.

You're almost right

I agree with you on Bush / Cheney. But Clinton dropped quite a few bombs in his day, and Obama has mastered the back room kill lists / predator drone strike process. The only difference between the Dems and Reps is rhetoric when it comes to foreign policy. I would really love to see someone in office who could just say "Hey, we've been in your business for more than half a century, maybe we'll just leave you alone." But that will never happen...

Amazons, indeed

That's an interesting – bizarre, hilarious, but interesting, nonetheless – mental image, Rolf. I suspect there'd be much less conflict in the world if the political leaders fomenting its various forms were required to be among the combatants on the front line until the conflict was resolved, one way or the other.

Let's see ...

Which branch of the service did Obama serve in?

Obama

Came of age in the volunteer era. I think you are mistaking him for Romney, who got several deferments for religious exemption, because of an opposition to war. Guess he lost his religion.

LOL Tester

We are talking about avoiding service when the US is at war. Romney and Bush - two little rich kids avoided Vietnam. No such wars during Obama's age. Ronnie served only in the movies. As usual GIGO.

Bush served

in the TANG. Only about 10% of people who served in the military during the 60s served in Vietnam. Some of us, including an interceptor pilot named George W Bush, were in roles and missions designed to counter the Soviet Union.

Intercepted

Bush served in a stateside unit flying a plane (the F-102) that was obsolete and had no chance of seeing combat.
Some political strings were involved.
TANG is the Texas Air Natinal Guard.

From Wikepedia (which jibes with my recollection of news accounts of the time):
"Bush's four-year part-time obligation to serve required him to maintain his immediate readiness to be recalled to active duty in the event of a national emergency. Bush's military records indicate that until May 1972 he fulfilled that obligation. After that, Bush may have failed to meet the attendance requirements established for members of the Air National Guard, and the Air Force requirement for an annual physical examination for pilots.[6]"

Obama served...

In the Texas National Guard, except that he was AWOL much of the time boozing it up.. OH WAIT, that was another president. I always get those guys mixed up.

So they set it up so they ...

could knock him down. That's sure what it looks like from my dinning room chair. Fund the film knowing what the reaction would be then cast blame on our President. That is manufactured news at its worst. Bring back Max headroom.

In the words of Colonel Henry Blake

"Horse puckey!"

The Republican party is the party of the chicken hawks...

Those are the people who never served and are all ready to have others fight and die, for others to carry the big stick, for them. It's stupidly ironic that all the so called born again Christians seem to be so warlike. So Bachmann has nothing bad to say about the guy who made that movie? Incredible.

I served for eight years

Where and when did you serve?

Vietnam 1969

I enlisted in the service and volunteered for Vietnam when I was stationed in Germany. Good enough? And what years did you serve? When the draft and the war were going on people joined the navy because they could avoid ground combat in Nam. As I recall you were on a submarine. Curious what years those were.

To be honest I was noncombat although my unit was subject to many rocket attacks and we pulled regular (every three days) guard duty.

Hmmm..

"I was noncombat"

Seems to me the Army had a really humorous euphemism for that, but I just cannot recall it. Do you remember, Bill?

As of yet...

We don't live in a military dictatorship. Does lack of military service mean that a citizen is less of a citizen in your eyes? If so, perhaps you should have your eyes checked.

It worked for Nixon, worked for McCarthy, worked for . . .

your favorite demagogue, blaming whatever nasty things happen in the world on the President's weakness in the face of tyranny, works for a lot of voters. This was the message William C. Bullitt delivered to readers of Life magazine in the 1940's, how FDR in his infirmity and weakness had sold out eastern Europe and China to Stalin in Yalta and Tehran. Now it's Libya and Egypt and Syria or is it Tikbuktu? Anything to keep the little minds amused. The clowns change, the circus goes on.

I guess Michele was feeling

I guess Michele was feeling left out of the 24 hour noise machine. She keeps this up, and Graves might not need to spend a dime to defeat her.

Taliban Christians

"More broadly, Bachmann said the protests weren't just about the film. "This was an intentional act that was done by radical Islamist s who seek to impose their set of beliefs on the rest of the world, and we will not stand for it," she said."

And, Rep Bachmann along with her Right Wing Christian cohorts are trying to do the same thing with their fundamentalist christian teachings! Examples; marriage amendment, right to choice, right to birth control. There those Republicans go again creating a "Bureaucracy" to intrude their Taliban Christian ideals "Shariah law with a christian twist" into our lives, as seen playing out today in the marriage & voting amendment. They consider their right to "Freedom of Religion", as much more important than our right to "Freedom From Religion" !
What makes that twisted idealism any different than the radical Islamist s other than the spelling?

It is

The same

Foreign policy

The US is in the middle of military operations trying to secure embassies and protect American diplomats. On the home front we have politicians in an election year criticizing the president while his trying to save American lives and putting US Marines into harms way. At least wait until the Americans killed at the Libyan embassy are buried before the election year rhetoric starts on foreign policy.

leading the charge

I think that's a great idea. If one of our elected leaders wants to go to war, let her or him lead the charge. I also can envision Bachmann and all these others in their tin helmets and scimitar racing across the desert after the terrorists. If they couldn't fight, they could pick up the dead and wounded and care for the injured.
If we had Bachman or one of her teaparty cohorts in an office of such responsibility, I think we'd have an even bigger, perhaps terminal, conflagration within weeks. Even most of her conservative fellows seems to know how imprudent her actions could be.

The movie itself died quite

The movie itself died quite some time back, it was so terrible, so poorly made. I understand it isn't even on the Internet. So when was the trailer reposted? It can't be for a re-release of the film. It is becoming more and more obvious that it was a radical Christian action meant to get just exactly the response it seems to be getting. The question I have is the timing of the posting of the trailer.

The whole thing stinks like last week's fish guts.

If this was a machination of hard right conservative Christians all along specifically to stir up international problems specifically at this point in time, then Bachmann needs to shut her pie hole.

Her comments betray the

Her comments betray the common fallacy of those who live and die by the daily news cycle.

Quick shot from the hip because tomorrow the issue will change.

Well, for the Middle East, the issues haven't changed in decades. Dictatorial governments and power and money in the hands of few. Widespread poverty, poor education, few options in life. "Leap in and leap out" policies by the rest of the world that typically leave devastation in their wake. "Israel first" as a default position of the west, and in particular the US. 10 years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq that had the main result of improving the political position of the fundamentalists and demonstrating once again that the will of the US cannot be imposed from the outside onto a country.

That is what is being reaped right now. The last 3 or 4 years are a drop in the bucket and a few pages in a long history..

This is rich

all these beta male liberal democrats who never served questioning others' military service.

This is rich

This faux alpha male conservative tea partyer thinking that military service somehow gives you foreign policy chops. I spent 8 years in the military and have the war medals to prove it. What I don't have is a belief that I know wha is going on and exactly what the right decision is. Stop using your military service as a cudgel every time you lack a legitimate or compelling argument. It diminishes the service of others when you simply troll people.

Also, does it not occur to you that the extremism of Michele Bachmann sounds exactly like the extremism of those radical Islamists that she wants to stomp out?

"criticizing others' military service"

Dennis Tester: Nobody is criticizing anybody's military service, although from your mindless drumbeat to that effect one might infer that yours was in the drum and bugle corps. Kindly read the posts. The objections regard those who most ferociously ADVOCATE going to war -- so long, of course, as others do the actual fighting and suffer the actual risk, while the advocates themselves sit home and criticize everyone else's efforts and motives. Perhaps you should go to the Internet and try to find the definition of "hypocrisy."

Irrelevent

as usual.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
Samuel Johnson

PUULLEASE!

Bush flew training planes and was AWOL, per his commanding officer. He got after the fact"exemptions" to defend Alabama against Democrats. Did you do the same? I don't call that "service" nor do I call Willard's time in France as military service, nor do I call going to grad school with a gift of $377,000 in American Motors stock to "nibble away" at suffering at all. And the money I am putting in the plate on Sunday does not excuse me from paying taxes nor is it an equivalent, as Willard claims. What a joke your claims are.

Romney in the military

According to his comments now, when he was in Paris, he wished he could have served. I understand that he was exempt from the draft. What I did not realize was that the Army was rejecting wealthy, well-connected volunteers.

As someone who spent 22+ years working for DOD

I can tell you there is a lot of difference between leadership that was "battle tested" vs. non combat.
Believe me we would rather follow the first set.

Relevence?

I think most people can agree someone who was in war ('battle tested') will understand the costs of war and the process of how the military operates. Still, our last three presidents do not qualify (national guard duty at best gives some notion of process). Romney won't either if he someone manages to get elected. So while I think your point is valid...I am unclear why you brought it up.

Nobody has turned this back on her?

By making "Islamic radicals" the boogeyman central to her campaign, coupled with her stature as an elected official it is possible that it is Michelle Bachmann's policies that are causing the unrest. These people know that if they commit acts of violence they will get a response from Representative Bachmann and her colleagues. That attention is what they crave. Rep Bachmann and "Islamic Radicals" are two symbiotic organisms pushing us toward endless war.