Climate B.S. of the Year Awards: And the winners are...

Dr. Peter Gleick doesn’t like B.S. He’s one of the world’s leading hydro-climatologists, a member of the National Academy of Sciences and the founder and president of the Pacific Institute. And B.S. just doesn’t make it through his deflector shield. B.S. in this case stands for “bad science.” If you were thinking of another two-word phrase, that would be just fine with Dr. Gleick. He thinks the two phrases are synonymous.
Each year he puts together what he calls the Climate B.S. of the Year Awards. Because Dr. Gleick studies the science of global warming, he stays current on all those people who try to confuse, obfuscate and generally B.S. the public into believing climate change is not a problem.
This year he has published a list of the top B.S. artists on the subject of global warming. The winners (if that is the appropriate term) for 2011 include Fox News Network. The “fair and balanced” approach to Fox News Network coverage of global warming during the last calendar year catapulted the cable news operation into second place. It made the list last year, but only placed fifth. They must be doing something right when it comes to doing something wrong.

Gleick says of Fox News Network: “The award is extended to the entire News Corporation empire of Rupert Murdoch because of its apparent efforts to synchronize anti-climate science reporting among the different Murdoch outlets in the UK, the U.S., and Australia.”
Fox News Network’s Washington managing editor, Bill Sammon, directed his journalists to cast doubt on climate science. Sean Hannity has reported that global warming doesn’t exist. Gleick points out that Bill O’Reilly has stated that for every scientist who says global warming exists, there is another who says it doesn’t. That’s B.S. Even climate contrarians know the planet is warming. The latest review of climate scientists’ published and peer reviewed papers show that 98 percent are convinced by the evidence that humans are causing the planet to warm. Two percent believe it is warming, but disagree on whether it will be as bad as he models suggest.
Before he was let go from Fox News Network, Glenn Beck told his audience over and over again that there had been no warming of the planet in the past 10 years, when global temperatures over the decade have been the warmest in a thousand years. Beck was just B.S.ing.
Third place
Three scientists were given third place. Roy Spencer, Danny Brasswell and John Christy. Christy was singled out for having tried to B.S. the United States Congress with bad science. Spencer and Brasswell are two of the scientists who don’t believe the Earth is all that sensitive to a build-up of CO2. They published a paper in the journal Remote Sensing. Other scientists tore apart what they said were glaring errors in the paper, and the editor of the publication resigned for having let the paper be published in the first place.
Fourth place on the B.S. countdown was awarded to the Koch brothers, Charles and David. They head one of the country’s largest fossil fuel operations. It is in their best interest to deny that CO2 from fossil fuel burning is a bad thing. They spend a lot of money each year underwriting the campaigns of candidates who will obstruct legislation to fight global warming. It has been said of the Koch brothers that they are the most powerful un-elected figures in the United States.
But the first place award for the 2011 Climate B.S. slingers of the year go to…wait for it – All the Republican candidates for president of the United States.
Candidates fold
In presenting the award, Dr. Gleick noted that three of the candidates — Romney, Huntsman and Gingrich — caved in to pressure in 2011 to recant their stated understanding of the science. Before the three flip-flopped on global warming, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty did the same thing before dropping out of the race.

Gingrich is the latest to fold. He just pulled a chapter from his forthcoming book. It was a chapter on global warming and featured the work of Kathryn Hayhoe, director of the Climate Science Center at Texas Tech University. Gingrich picked the right scientist. She is an evangelical Christian, and absolutely convinced of the scientific facts supporting human-induced global warming. Hayhoe believes humans are spiritually bound to protect creation. Gingrich recognized he couldn’t win without the far-right wing of the party, many of whom believe dumping greenhouse gases into the sky is just peachy. So, he pulled the chapter. If that isn’t B.S. I don’t know what is.
But Gingrich is just the latest. In October, Mitt Romney backed away from his clearly stated support of the science, and now tells people from the stump that he just isn’t that sure anymore. John Huntsman did the same thing, and it didn’t appear to help him at all. Rick Perry didn’t flip-flop. He has been citing B.S. (bad science) throughout his candidacy.
Politicians love awards, but as the Republican candidates caravan into New Hampshire for today’s primary, they will likely hide these trophies. Fifty scientists in New Hampshire called on all Republican candidates to accept the science of global warming. People in New Hampshire have been through some terrible weather in the last couple of years, and it appears more and more have accepted the fact that global warming is behind much of what they’ve witnessed.
If a candidate takes the stump in Concord or Manchester and says global warming is a hoax perpetrated by a cabal of leftist scientists, I would bet someone in the crowd shouts, “B.S!” They could be referring to bad science. Or they could be just telling like it is.
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I recently listened to an episode of This American Life where the director of a national organization of science teachers tried to use science, facts, and reason to convince a high school freshmen that global warming existed, and that it was caused by humans.
The high schooler was very polite, but totally immovable. She believed that global warming was still merely a theory, not yet supported by convincing evidence. The main source of her skepticism? Hours spent watching Glenn Beck. It is truly depressing to listen to a young person believe so thoroughly in the tripe that Rupert Murdoch's misinformation machine is spewing.
It is Act Two, in case anyone is interested to listen for themselves: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/424/kid-politics
Don:
As a former, hard-nosed investigative reporter, I bet you have wondered, as I have, why we never see any media reports looking into the reason there is no scientific research focusing on the benefits of global warming?
A longer growing season and less energy needed to heat homes are two that come immediately to mind, not to mention a longer golf season in Minnesota.
Could it be there is no funding available for that type of research?
I can recall a time when a hard-hitting, I-team at a local television station would have provided us the answer.
I will keep hope alive that some day, a fearless, local reporter will appear to take a good, hard look at the funding of global warming research. As a former hard-nosed,fearless, investigative reporter yourself, I am sure you share that hope as well.
@1
Thanks for the link. Well worth listening to.
The non-Murdoch media bear some responsibility here, too, with their long-standing tradition of granting equal time to idiots.
Sure, some questions really are a matter of opinion, based on different values and interests, such as the question of where to put the next light rail line.
But in other matters, such as the causes of the economic meltdown or the facts about global warming, the mainstream media have succumbed to political pressure to provide "balance," i.e. allowing somebody from a right-wing think tank to come in and spout an over-simplified, emotionally appealing, but mostly false position.
A person who watches a lot of TV, even someone who never goes near Fox News, and is otherwise not intellectually curious, can easily develop the attitude that everything is just a matter of opinion.
It doesn't help that the AM radio jocks crack lame jokes about global warming every time it snows, as judged by the online comments to weather-related articles in local newspapers. If snow or cold temperatures are forecast, a dozen or so readers pile into the online comments with snide remarks such as "Where's your global warming now?"
Why are Americans so vulnerable to these kinds of manipulations? Aside from our anti-intellectual culture, there's our dependence on cars. Automobiles are responsible for about 1/3 of the CO2 emissions in this country, but so many Americans live in areas that were purposely built far away from stores and services and are accessible only by car. Furthermore, eighty years of advertising have created the notion that one's car is an extension of one's personality.
If we were really serious about mitigating global warming (and not incidentally, reducing our dependence on foreign oil), we would not have spent trillions on Middle Eastern wars. Instead, we would have used that money to build mass transit systems that made it possible for people to live without cars, retrofitted existing suburbs to facilitate non-automotive transportation, and brought our intercity rail system into the 21st century in order to reduce short-hop plane travel. (Note: This does not mean banning cars, no matter what the right-wing scaremongers say. It means providing people with a real choice of transportation.)
In addition to the benefits of cleaner air, more cohesive communities, and fewer foreign wars, these infrastructure programs would have provided living wage jobs that didn't require being shot at, and at the end, we would have something that Americans could use for generations to come.
To Jeff Michaels: As far as the supposed "benefits" of global warming are concerned, it's not just about Minnesota. Large sections of the earth may become uninhabitable due to flooding or unbearably hot temperatures. Even here, our summers are already hot enough, thank you.
Obviously warmer seasons are going to benefit Jeff's slice. And as long as all 7 billion people in the world live in Minnesota, who cares if the rest of the world is being innundated with climate changes rendering essential food production useless?
@#2
There HAS been research in that area, and the conclusion is that the narrow benefits of warming are far outweighed by the harm of it.
First, there were extensive studies of the benefits of increased CO2 on plants and plant production. It turns out that crop plants do grow better on an increased amount of CO2, BUT they're generally less nutritious if they get more than enough CO2. That is, a little bit goes a long way for warming, but very little for plant quality.
Example references:
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/co2plant.htm
http://www.news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=9479
Second, while a warmer growing season might be beneficial for some crops (e.g., corn), other crops, such as wildrice would fail. Some crops actually require a cooler growing season, or at least cooler temperatures at the beginning of the growing season and at night. One might consider simply moving MN crops to Canada. It would be a good idea if the glaciers hadn't simply scraped the really fertile soil from Canada and dumped it in the upper midwest of the US, so doing so would drastically reduce the growing area of temperature sensitive crops (e.g., canola).
Example references: http://aesop.rutgers.edu/~horteng/Workshop/Lecture2.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernalization
Third, a warmer growing season does NOT equate to a LONGER growing season. The sun's position dictates growing season, not temperature. Many crops will begin to senesce at the end of the solar growing season, regardless of the temperature. While plant breeding and crop engineering may be able to produce crops that don't, traditional plant breeding can take a long time to get crops that behave as expected and the world in general pretty much looks down on genetically engineered crops.
Example references:
http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/botany/environmental.html#light
http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/60/9/2529.full
Fourth, warmer average temperatures or more humid atmosphere can make it harder to control some crop pests and diseases. Many pests and diseases are killed off during the winter freeze, and the longer the temperature stays above freezing, the more damage they can do. And the greater the numbers come spring again. Since warmer air can hold more water, humidity is also an issue. Humidity favors many crop diseases.
Example references:
http://www.nt.gov.au/nreta/museums/objects/pdf/freezinghandout.pdf
http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/5/22/525.full
http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/pests/eb31w.htm
http://www.freshplaza.com/news_detail.asp?id=91423
Fifth, global warming makes weather even more unpredictable. We may still be able to predict a storm tomorrow or a rainy or dry or warm or cold trend next week, but increased atmospheric temperatures mean a greater capacity for holding water. This changes precipitation patterns, leaving some areas overly wet and others incredibly dry. Rain shadows (the area behind mountains that tend to be dry) may become extended...or shortened, while the clouds on the leading side of high elevations may be inclined to drop even more moisture...or not, simply because the air is warmer higher up than it used to be.
Sixth, warmer atmospheric temperature inherently means more stored energy in the atmosphere. This very well could lead to stronger storms (there is some evidence of this), which results in greater crop damage and localized flooding. Any farmer will tell you that a good hail or flood will kill a crop as dead as a drought or an early cold snap.
I'm sure there are many other bits of information about the "benefits" of global warming, but I don't have time to dig them all up.
Honestly, if I can rattle these things off the top of my head, one has to wonder whether you were simply trying to cast doubt on Don's ability to investigate and report. Closing your eyes to what's already out there doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. But then, I suspect that the purpose of your questions was simply to make it LOOK like the research hadn't been done when it actually had.
Karen Sandress' remarks illustrate that this isn't about global warming per se. This is about how the national treasury gets spent and by whom. Whose vision of utopia is pursued and whose isn't.
It's been amusing to watch their frustration grow as they realize that their tactic of "only stupid people disagree with us" as the polls show their losing ground by the mile in their quest to win the argument.
But Jeff Michaels is right. If the earth is temporarily warming between ice ages, the logical reaction from people without an agenda would be to study ways to adapt and benefit from the phenomenon. But if climate change is really occurring, to think that humans could actually mitigate the change by giving more money and power to central government is laughable in its nitwittery.
Better to make lemonade out of lemons.
@2: You don't do research on the "benefits" of global warming, you try to find the probable outcomes be they good or bad. And there will be some good and some bad, and if you take a look at wikipedia there's a boatload of research on the topic. On the whole, it looks more bad than good. In any case, understanding earth's rising temperatures is fairly easy compared to predicting all of the potential outcomes, and while there is good science being done on them, it might be better to avoid turning the entire planet into an experiment.
I appreciate Karen #4 lengthy response, but I would simply point out that crops also need water to grow... not just warmth. How you gonna grow crops in a desert?
Last month we published my Open Letter to Attorney General Lori Swanson:
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An open letter to MN Attorney General Lori Swanson
BY ED FELIEN
Dear Attorney General Lori Swanson, If it was possible for the State of Minnesota to sue the tobacco industry for the damage they knowingly perpetrated on Minnesota citizens and recover monies to compensate for those damages, then why is it not possible to sue the five major oil companies and Koch Brothers Refinery for the health problems and deaths that have resulted from the transmission and burning of fossil fuels when they have known for years the damage they were doing to the people of Minnesota and to the climate and planet?
Most recently, according to the New York Times, Nov. 17, ”The business community and its Republican allies in Congress went to war” against proposed smog control rules. They defeated the Obama Administration’s environmental officials, a “victory” for polluters projected to cause 7,200 annual American deaths, which could have been avoided. That’s more annual deaths than the combined American fatalities in Iraq and Afghanistan, which were 6,317 as of Nov. 21.
In “Capitalism vs. the Climate,” an article written for The Nation, Nov. 9, Naomi Kline says, “The top five oil companies made $900 billion in profits in the past decade; ExxonMobil alone can clear $10 billion in profits in a single quarter. For years, these companies have pledged to use their profits to invest in a shift to renewable energy (BP’s ‘Beyond Petroleum’ rebranding being the highest-profile example). But according to a study by the Center for American Progress, just 4 percent of the big five’s $100 billion in combined 2008 profits went to ‘renewable and alternative energy ventures.’ Instead, they continue to pour their profits into shareholder pockets, outrageous executive pay and new technologies designed to extract even dirtier and more dangerous fossil fuels. Plenty of money has also gone to paying lobbyists to beat back every piece of climate legislation that has reared its head, and to fund the denier movement gathered at the Marriott Hotel (the Heartland Institute’s Sixth International Conference on Climate Change, the premier gathering for those dedicated to denying the overwhelming scientific consensus that human activity is warming the planet).
“Just as tobacco companies have been obliged to pay the costs of helping people to quit smoking, and BP has had to pay for the cleanup in the Gulf of Mexico, it is high time for the ‘polluter pays’ principle to be applied to climate change.”
The facts are in and they are incontrovertible:
The temperature of the earth is rising. The polar ice caps are melting. Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting. Coral reefs are dying. Sea levels are rising. The National Geographic on June 4, 2007, said “More than a million species face extinction from disappearing habitat, changing ecosystems.”
It’s time to settle this matter. Let’s have it out in a court of law.
Lori Swanson, you represent the people of Minnesota. You are our attorney. We need you to fight for us now. We need you to fight for our next generation, for the species that face extinction, for the planet.
In 1998 the four largest tobacco companies agreed to a master lawsuit between them and 46 states that will put hundreds of millions of dollars every year in the Minnesota state general fund in perpetuity in exchange for the damage the tobacco industry had knowingly done to the health of Minnesotans. Further, the tobacco industry had to disband its propaganda machines that challenged the science substantiating the health risks of tobacco, and they were compelled to pay for tobacco cessation programs to help people stop their addiction to tobacco.
We ask you to do the same with the major oil companies and Koch Refineries: They must pay, in perpetuity, for the irreparable damage they have done to the environment and for the health costs associated with the burning of fossil fuels. They must stop their false propaganda supporting climate deniers. They must fund alternative energy sources and organizations like Transition Town that are trying to create a world beyond our dependence on fossil fuels.
This is your moment, Lori Swanson. The people of Minnesota, the people of the world and the ecosystem of the planet are depending on you
"It's been amusing to watch their frustration grow as they realize that their tactic of "only stupid people disagree with us" as the polls show their losing ground by the mile in their quest to win the argument."
Seriously, Mr. Tester, do you have any evidence whatsoever for your statement above? Links, please.
In the mean time, I'll point you to results from Rasmussen, normally considered an operation that leans toward the right:
"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters finds that 64% say global warming is at least a somewhat serious problem, including 30% who say it’s Very Serious. One-in-three voters (33%) believe climate change is not a serious problem."
Saturday, January 07, 2012
link: http://bit.ly/1JC8vk
As the old saying goes, Mr. Tester, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.
Possible benefits of global warming? How about delaying the next ice age?
Human emissions of carbon dioxide will defer the next Ice Age, say scientists.
The last Ice Age ended about 11,500 years ago, and when the next one should begin has not been entirely clear.
Researchers used data on the Earth's orbit and other things to find the historical warm interglacial period that looks most like the current one.
In the journal Nature Geoscience, they write that the next Ice Age would begin within 1,500 years - but emissions have been so high that it will not.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16439807
If you believe "the science" we are helping mankind by avoiding being buried under 4 km of ice.
According to the financial statements (http://www.pacinst.org/about_us/financial_information/10%20Audit.pdf), Dr. Gleick's company, the Pacific Institute for Development Environment and Security (sounds veeery scientific) receives funding not only from the usual warmer suspects (NOAA, United Nations et. al), but from...wait for it...The Open Society Institute:
http://www.soros.org
BS indeed.
No wonder people are rejecting the warmer scam. Not only are they staffed by psuedo-scientists, they aren't even skilled at scamming.
According to the financial statements (http://www.pacinst.org/about_us/financial_information/10%20Audit.pdf), Dr. Gleick's company, the Pacific Institute for Development Environment and Security (sounds veeery scientific) receives funding not only from the usual warmer suspects (NOAA, United Nations et. al), but from...wait for it...The Open Society Institute:
http://www.soros.org
BS indeed.
Don opines that:
"If a candidate takes the stump in Concord or Manchester and says global warming is a hoax perpetrated by a cabal of leftist scientists, I would bet someone in the crowd shouts, “B.S!” They could be referring to bad science. Or they could be just telling like it is."
But before coming to any conclusions, better to check their wallet for a SorosCheque©.
#8, Jeff Klein, touched on the very heart of it, and that is that we are collectively running a vast, uncontrolled experiment with the entire planet as the laboratory. The same planet that is the only home we have, and which is now obliged to support 7+ billion human beings, many of whom are already on the very knife's edge of survival.
The resources of the planet are already strained to the utmost, even while the environment is being degraded by the activities of said 7+ billion humans. Energy, food, clean water, you name it, all stretched tighter than a bowstring. To play games with the biosphere that supports us all, to destroy habitat and dump pollutants into the air and water with unrestrained abandon, to pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere of a world that is already warm enough and is losing the ice that helps regulate the climate, and must support the agriculture needed to feed all those people, to lie about it in the name of profits, this is insane. To run a massive uncontrolled experiment on our only home, a massive role of the dice that risks climate disruption, which is clearly already under way, and risks triggering feedback loops that may spin wildly out of control and which, when triggered, cannot be stopped; an objective observer would have to assume that these are the actions of a species with a death wish.
This is not about making lemonade or playing more golf in Minnesota, and to trivialize the situation in this way reveals a profound lack of understanding of the problem. Or a disingenuous political agenda.
"Warmers" are "pseudo-scientists"... which means, I guess, that 99% of scientists are "pseudo-scientists". It's like every day is opposite day in conservative ideology land.
Jeff, it's always a good idea to check into a couple of facts before jumping to conclusions lest one leave the impression that one is speaking from a well known nether region:
"Scientists in Revolt against Global Warming"
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/scientists_in_revolt_against_glob...
The fact is that the "scientific consensus" for global warming never existed, and the alliance that has been touting Bad Science is crumbling in the face of embaressing revelations such as the one I just provided.
It *may* be correct to say that 99% of the psuedo-scientists that are clinging to the warmer scam are funded by shady leftist groups, but I can only speak to the case at hand here.
So you are backing up your claims with an online article from a right-wing glorified blog? Seriously? When EVERY scientific organization of national or international standing agrees about the tenets of climate change? When thousands upon thousands of peer-reviewed studies agree with the tenets of climate change? When numerous peer-reviewed surveys of climate scientists find only a tiny fringe that doesn't agree?
All resources stretched tighter than a bowstring because of 7+ billion people on the globe, yet the story following this one is about.... child obesity!
Breaking news!
"Calling BS on Peter Gleick’s Climate BS Nominees"
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2011/01/07/calling-bs-on-pet...
As can be seen, defenders of true science are sick of being bullied by scam artists and leftist propagandists.
A quick check of funding sources for World Climate Report disclosed no KochBucks©...just credible scientists doing thier jobs.
Checkmate, Dr. Gleick.
Once again Mr. Swift doth protest too much.
The Koch brothers were in search of someone who could support the claim made by people like Mr. Swift that global warming is a scam.
So they - not some shady leftist group or the government for that matter - helped to fund a scientist whom those in denial of global warming had proudly declared to be in their camp in the past.
From the Christian Science Monitor
link: http://bit.ly/qR9h5I
"Most climate scientists attribute warming since the mid-1950, at least to some degree, to carbon dioxide emissions from human activities – burning coal, oil, and to a lesser extent gas, and from land-use changes."
"The latest results mirror those from earlier, independent studies by scientists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction and Research in Britain, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA."
"In the end, the team's result shows that the earlier studies 'were done carefully and that potential biases identified by climate-change skeptics did not seriously affect' the conclusions these studies reached, said Dr. Muller, who some climate activists have labeled a global-warming skeptic."
"Money for the new study, dubbed the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, came from five foundations, including one established by Microsoft founder Bill Gates and another from the Charles Koch Charitable Foundation, widely seen as a source of money for conservative organizations and initiatives that have fought efforts to curb greenhouse-gas emissions."
As with Mr. Tester, Mr. Swift is entitled to his own opinions but not his own facts.
I thank the Koch brothers for support of this research illustrating that global warming is not the scam that global warming denialists, such as Messrs. Swift and Tester, claim.
Prof Gleason reminds us, once again, that when dealing with leftists, one must always dot the "i" and cross the "t" lest they reinvent the meaning of "is".
Don trotted that piece of reasearch out some months ago, Prof. The authors are careful to say that they did not come to any conclusions as to causation.
Most scientists agree that the mean temperature has risen some, but it is only scam artists and leftists who attempt to concretely, and foolishly attribute it to anything in particular.
There simply isn't enough reliable data to support any conclusions.
I suppose it's been quite some time since you've seen the inside of a lab, Prof., but trust me here; the scientific method is still in play when doing true science.
Finally, we see that not only do the Koch bros finance science, they do not direct it's outcome. I'd like to challenge global warming apologists to point out where George Soros ever financed scientific research of any type.
What is a leftist propagandist's cash doing in the bank account of "one of the world’s leading hydro-climatologists"?
@#20
That's a blog with no data, which refers internally to a blog with no data. Please provide a link with data. Without data, the blog is simply an opinion with big words.
Rachel, you might have missed it, but the subject of this thread is a childish rant by a Soros funded, psuedo-scientist without any data.
It doesn't even have any big words to make us feel important...you'd think George would expect a better bang for his bucks.
@#17
"It *may* be correct to say that 99% of the psuedo-scientists that are clinging to the warmer scam are funded by shady leftist groups, but I can only speak to the case at hand here."
No, it may not be. No permission was given to make such a broad statement. Nor CAN it be. Unless you can prove that the same beliefs held by Dr. Gleick are psudodoscientists and/or the 1700+ CLIMATE scientists surveyed (results here: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.full.pdf+html) that say that anthropogenic climate change is real got substantial funding from "shady leftist groups," your statement is far left field (more accurately, wrong). I don't care that 1000 random "scientists" disagree with what 1700+ CLIMATE scientists have researched and found to be true for the same reason I wouldn't go to the dentist to have my appendix removed.
By the way, a Congressional report will never trump a scientific report. In addition, a VAST majority of those listed on the report are unconvinced, not "revolting against global warming." In fact, there are probably only a handful that make the outright claim that it's not happening.
If global warming started in the mid 50s or even earlier as some claim when our population was half, then there is absolutely no way we can mitigate it. That's the simple fact with 7 billion people growing to 10 billion needing a carbon footprint to exist. It's very simple math. Run the numbers. The only alternative is adaptation and figuring out the least disruptive way to adapt.
What's more important than fretting over global warming is husbanding our energy resources because they are finite and alternative renewable energy sources will never physically make up the gap. Coal is eventually going to be mined. The shale is eventually going to get fracked. We are going to eventually have to build more nuclear energy power generators and that uranium near the Grand Canyon is going to be extracted. If you don't like any of this then you best start conserving for your generation and the generations you will personally know.
Regardless, nature is an ebb and tide and is sometimes cruel, but it eventually balances out. Humans in the balance of things are the cancer of the Earth. Our unique intelligence with the ability to create causes that unbalanced growth and desire cancer that could eventually destroy us.
Doomsday talk. Yes, unfortunately. Our survival most likely will depend on our unique intelligence to create a breakthrough we cannot even conceive or speculate on at this time. But we are not going to stem global warming doing our feel good duties of "turning down the thermostat."
"No, it may not be. No permission was given to make such a broad statement."
Another absolutely fascinating glimpse into what a Democratic caucus must sound like...*that's* what keeps me coming back to MinnPost!
@#12 -
"Possible benefits of global warming? How about delaying the next ice age?
...
If you believe "the science" we are helping mankind by avoiding being buried under 4 km of ice. "
At the cost of flooding every coastal zone in the world, where hundreds of millions of people live and our largest cities are. Where every port will have to be replaced or saved with massive engineering works. Do you have any idea how many trillions of dollars that's going to cost? Just how are we going to be able to afford that? How many people are going to have to be resettled - into areas where there are already people? Seems rather a large cost to me, so you can run around in shorts in January.
@#19 - "All resources stretched tighter than a bowstring because of 7+ billion people on the globe, yet the story following this one is about.... child obesity! "
In the West, due largely to eating a lot of junk and not moving around enough. Almost every processed food in the grocery stores is spiked with corn syrup - pure sugar - washed down, most likely, with soda. Exactly the kind of food the poorest folks are obliged to live on. That's hardly reassuring.
I'm sure that will be good news to the 1 billion children living in poverty, the 925 million who are malnourished, the 1.1 billion with inadequate access to clean water, the 80% of the world's population who live on less than $10/day. All of this will get worse as climate change proceeds, agriculture is disrupted, population continues to expand to 9 billion and beyond, and energy prices soar. With all due respect, you need to get your nose out of your cheeseburger and pay attention to conditions in the world.
After reading all the comments so far, I'd be strongly tempted to suggest a return to duels as a means of resolving these heated disputes.
But the Confederates thought so highly of the so-called "code duello" that they governed their lives thereby.
And looked what happened to them.
Jeff #2:
Your take is one of the biggest BS'ings out there. The idea that there is only funding for climate change believers. You all say, "Follow the money."
The denier money dwarfs, absolutely dwarfs, the scholarly research money out there. Trust me jeff, if there was a case to be made for climate change being good, even a made up case, Fox and the Koch's would have been spreading it long ago.
No money for climate deniers. Please.
Meanwhile, record amounts of carbon dioxide continue to be pumped into the atmosphere, and the climate continues to warm. It's basic science.
#30 "The denier money dwarfs, absolutely dwarfs, the scholarly research money out there."
Any specifics to back up this statement?
Greenpeace found $23 million paid to skeptics over 10 years.
Exxon spent $100 million for Stanfords Global Climate and Energy Project and $600 million for Biofuels research.
The US Government spent $79 billion on climate research and technology from 1989 to 2008 according to the Science and Public Policy Institute.
Academics need a crisis to insure continued funding for their research concerning the "settled science".
Big carbon trading reached $126 billion in 2008 and remember Obama received the most money from BP than any other politician.
Those who have been following this telling discussion have probably realized that the climate denialist's general strategy is to throw dirt on any inconvenient facts and then claim that nothing needs to be done since we don't have a problem...
A very interesting example of facts vs. denialism was provided here in St. Paul when St. Thomas physics professor John Abraham debunked "Lord" Monckton.
See: St. Thomas Prof. John Abraham in royal smackdown with global-warming denier Christopher Monckton (MinnPost)
link: http://bit.ly/cCIX6n
As the internationally respected newspaper, The Guardian, put it:
"Monckton's response to John Abraham is magnificently bonkers."
The majority of voters are starting to understand that obfuscation alone is not enough reason to ignore our problems with global warming and to sit on our hands and do nothing about them.
But a small minority, that apparently includes Mr. Swift, will continue to fight any action on the matter until the bitter end.
It's really not worth engaging with the Mr. Tester and Mr. Swift and their friends on these matters, unfortunately. Sadly, there is no way they can understand what's happening to us other than "a vast leftist conspiracy". You can't help them understand the science they so actively don't want to understand, all they will do is conclude that you are arrogant and elitist. They have learned the key lesson of right-wing politics in our age... state whatever you want, don't worry about backing it up with serious references or original source material because most people don't have the skills to hold you accountable. In the end, climate change deniers and believers will all face the same dimly glimpsed fate, most likely a very difficult one as the carrying capacity of our planet is diminished to the point of disaster, but I suppose there may be some small solace in the fact that they will have ever so slightly more blame to bear for exacerbating an existing problem at this late date. I concur with those here who said we need to look at the likely results of global warming and ignore the naysayers altogether. I encourage all of you to save your energy for the real problems and stop trying to convince others of what isn't really all that debatable anyway.
Speaking of inconvienent facts, Prof., I'm *still* waiting for an explaination of what scientific endevour leftist propagandist George Soros expected Dr. Gliek to put the >$80,000 he donated.
Josh, please excuse me, but I can't help but observe that warmers are all about "the science".
They try and try to explain "the science" to us poor, ignorant, plebes but it's an impossible job. I hear that and I read that, but when pressed for specifics, precious few global warming apologists seem to have any science background.
I'm not a scientist, I'm an engineer whose livelyhood consists of putting science to practical use. I think we can agree that I'd have to have the capacity to understand it to put it to use.
What is your scientific background?
"Academics need a crisis to insure continued funding for their research concerning the "settled science"."
*Bam*
And leftists have realized the opportunities AGW presents to grow the power of government and control the lives of individuals.
Don, since you have not published my most recent post it, please replace what I just sent you with this updated version below. Thanks. John
As with most any serious scientific study, skepticism, at least healthy skepticism (if that can at all be accomplished), should be a big part of the dialogue. So I was curious to read Mr. Swift’s suggestion in #19, to the link to the American Thinker, that talks about “Scientists in revolt against global warming”.
I found that the American Thinker site presents the more common arguments put forth by climate change skeptics, e.g., there is no consensus, it’s the sun, it’s a conspiracy, it’s not as bad as they say it is, it’s part of a normal cycle, etc. What struck me here, though, was that this site was much more of a monologue than any kind of a technical dialogue or forum on the subject. Most of the links that were within the site were to blogs or other very strong statements made about climate change.
Another site that I think covers the same arguments presented in the American Thinker article (on both sides of the issue, however), with a more balanced approach is the following:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/
So why do I say that? I will have to admit that this site does take the mainstream position of climate scientists on this issue (i.e., that climate change exists, and humans are largely responsible for it). But fortunately, the site also encourages a very lively two way discussion on the topic. And fortunately, much of the discussion on this site, on both sides of the issue, is provided by technically knowledgeable folks, who don’t make it a point to resort to name calling or ranting. The other thing that this site has going for it, is that there are numerous links to the arguments of skeptics, maybe some that Mr. Swift and other skeptics have not even visited yet, who knows.
"As with most any serious scientific study, skepticism, at least healthy skepticism (if that can at all be accomplished), should be a big part of the dialogue."
I agree, John. But as I'm sure you've noted, people that are convinced the AGW is legitimate have hung a big neon "CONSENSUS" sign on their opinions and are quick to pounce on skeptics.
The perfect case in point is made by the subject of this very post. Dr. Gleik, in what can certainly be called a rant, has labeled three scientific collegues with at least as impressive CV's as his own, "BS". Not their skepticism, mind you, the men themselves...or maybe Don added that in a flourish of creative writing.
Perhaps regarding civility, the "expert" can learn something from we, the unwashed MinnPost commentators!
Mr. Swift has a political problem. Note the lack of any climate science in his posts. Psychologists call Mr. Swift's disorder 'abnegation'. It can easily be cured, but the patient needs to recognize they need help. JP