Senate GOP passes expanded 'Castle Doctrine'
Again, like voter fraud, the precise numbers related to the perceived problem are kind of murky, but the solution is at hand nevertheless, and this time there’s a gun in it. Dennis Lien’s PiPress story says: “The Minnesota Senate on Thursday passed a bill giving people greater discretion in using deadly force to defend themselves in threatening situations. The Republican-controlled Senate spent two hours debating the proposal before approving it 40-23, largely along party lines. The measure would broaden the definition of where people could use deadly force to defend themselves outside their homes, eliminating a requirement that they retreat first if possible. It also would force Minnesota to recognize firearm permits from states that oftentimes have lower standards for providing them and would bar police from confiscating weapons during states of emergencies. ‘I think we need to empower people to allow them to protect themselves,’ said the bill's chief sponsor, Sen. Gretchen Hoffman, R-Vergas ... At press conferences over the past week and in the floor debate, opponents portrayed ominous outcomes, in part because they said the measure creates a presumption that deadly force can be used against people who enter dwellings by force or stealth and expands the definition of dwellings to include porches, fenced-in areas, tents, and other structures, as well as occupied cars or boats. Under it, they said someone feeling threatened could shoot a youngster stealing an apple from someone's tree, a camper stumbling along in the dark at a state park, or a child sneaking home at night and could go unpunished. ‘You have the right to shoot first and ask questions later under this bill,’ said Sen. Ron Latz, DFL-St. Louis Park.”
Tim Pugmire’s MPR story says: “Rick Dusterhoft, a prosecutor in Ramsey County, said he opposes the provision to recognize handgun carry permits issued by other states. ‘Other states don't necessarily require training and a background check to get a permit. This bill would require Minnesota to honor permits from other states that don't have the same stringent standards that Minnesota does,’ Dusterhoft said. ‘And I don't think we want to put guns in the hands of people that we're not sure should have guns.’ Sen. Gretchen Hoffman, R-Vergas, said her bill ensures people can defend themselves in all situations. ‘If you are anywhere you can legally be, you can defend yourself against a criminal,’ Hoffman said. ‘If I'm out on the street and I'm doing what I can legally do, and someone comes at me and I feel imminent danger of physical harm, I should be able to react with equal or greater force.’ " Ms. Hoffman must run with a tough crowd.
Pretty good day Thursday for a Maple Plains business. Neal St. Anthony and Patrick Kennedy of the Strib write: “Proto Labs Inc., a quick-turn manufacturer of custom parts for product designers and manufacturers around the globe, raised nearly $70 million in an initial public offering late Thursday, selling 4.3 million shares of stock at $16 per share. Proto Labs, the first Minnesota-based initial public offering of the year, will begin trading on the New York Stock Exchange Friday morning under the ticker symbol ‘PRLB.’ The website IPO Scoop.com, which tracks the performance of IPO offerings, had been estimating that the Proto Labs IPO would price in the range of $13 to $15 per share. The Proto Labs deal, which was said to be ‘oversubscribed’ by interested investors, is the largest Minnesota-based IPO since AGA Medical raised $199 million in 2009.”
Lest anyone forget downtown St. Paul’s stadium dreams, Frederick Melo of the PiPress writes: “Eager to move the city's minor league baseball team from an industrial corner along Energy Park Drive to St. Paul's Lowertown neighborhood, Mayor Chris Coleman joined St. Paul Area Chamber of Commerce President Matt Kramer on Thursday before a panel of key state lawmakers. Together, they asked members of the Republican-led House Jobs and Economic Development Finance Committee to smile on their request for $27 million for a new regional ballpark. The $54 million ball field, they said, will draw up to 7,000 fans downtown on game nights, incubate 500 jobs and pump as much as $10 million a year into the burgeoning arts and entertainment district.”
As you might expect, that $255K pay-out to a Burnsville school administrator has caught the public’s attention. Christopher Magan of the PiPress writes: “A mix of frustration, confusion and silence hung over the Burnsville school district Thursday, two days after it was revealed that board members OK'd a quarter-million-dollar payout for an administrator to resign. ‘I'm very much aware of the reaction of the public,’ school board chairman Ron Hill said regarding the community outrage about the district's separation agreement with Tania Zaverta Chance. ‘We've gotten feedback. What I would expect in this situation is the kind of feedback we have gotten.’ … As human resources director, Chance served as the district's chief union negotiator, and her departure was cheered by teachers at [a] rally Thursday. Although not mentioned by name, it was clear union members felt she played a part in delaying the settlement of their contract. ‘We are here because the district made a horrible hiring decision,’ said Joe Meyer, the Burnsville Education Association's Teacher of the Year, who spoke at the rally. ‘Thankfully, SHEgo,’ Meyer said, referencing the title of Chance's self-published book, and the crowd of teachers roared.” You know there’s a good story here.
The Strib editorializes on the case, saying,:“The settlement was struck, as one school official put it, to ‘allow both sides to move forward.’ That may serve the parties, but it's not in the best interests of taxpayers, the schools or their students. Given the financial challenges facing schools today, these kinds of buyouts seem especially wasteful. And school administrators lose credibility with the public by reaching such deals without a full explanation. … Conspiracy theories abound in the Burnsville case, but unless more details are made public, the $255,000 mystery will continue. This and similar cases demonstrate the need for more disclosure, even stronger data practices laws, and more-taxpayer-friendly public employee contracts that don't leave public bodies on the hook for excessive payouts. For now the Burnsville School District isn't talking — and that's wrong. When school boards or other public entities make decisions that cost tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars, the public deserves to know why.”
Ex Strib reporter and editor Robert Franklin writes a commentary for the paper on the gay marriage amendment. (He leads with a mention of MinnPost’s Eric Black.) Says Franklin, “Imagine how else the full force of the law and the Constitution could "protect" marriage:
• Make it illegal (or unconstitutional?) to rent or sell housing to unwed heterosexual couples.
• Outlaw divorce. Or at least make it more difficult to abandon a marriage, by narrowing the grounds for divorce, raising fees or (as bills now actually before the Legislature would do) require a waiting period or counseling when minor children are involved.
• Reinstitute prosecution of the long-neglected fornication law against sex between a man and an unmarried woman. …
• Those who contend that the purpose of marriage is primarily (or solely) to produce children could advocate premarital fertility tests for couples of child-bearing age. Flunk the test, and you don't get a marriage license unless you agree to acquire children by adoption or some other method.”
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I'm packin' now
Nice to know that the next time someone cuts me off in traffic and gives me the finger I can kill them. There's this weight lifter dude at the Y that sort of scares me too.
Bullet proof vests next?
It should be interesting when politicians go door-to-door this year. I remember having a gentleman in his underwear chase me with a baseball bat when I knocked on his door to ask for his vote some years ago. Now it seems all a potential voter needs to think is that he or she has their life in jeopardy - some may say a reasonable assumption with some politicians today -when some stranger with something in their hand (brochures, maybe) shows up at their front door and it is the wild west all over again.
Unnecessary
The expanded 'Castle Doctrine' law is not necessary, in my opinion. If someone breaks into my family's camping tent at night or tries to mug us downtown, I'm going to empty my .44 into him law or no law. And no MN jury would convict me.
Maybe, maybe not.
But, in any case, at the discretion of a county attorney finding out could cost you your job, your house and empty your bank account.
"Man acquitted in shooting is 'happy to be free', but now is homeless"
http://dmreg.co/wTC4BK
Right to carry voter I.D
Virtual scenario:
It's High Noon at the polling place in Ergus, Minnesota and Mrs Emma Thomas, an upright citizen; head of the ladies aid society and who knows what else, is a polling judge and it's Voting Day.
"Next.", Emma says to the next in line.
The line moves forward slowly as card -carrying citizens are reaching into their rucksacks and back pockets etc., scrambling to have their new Official I.D's on-the -ready which secures their right to vote in a security-conscious society.
Next fellow steps up.
"Young Black or Latino?" Emma's mind wonders, profiles; adjudicates, whatever.
Fellow reaches into his rucksack for his Voter I.D.
Right-to-carry Judge Emma adjudicates again. Pulls her small revolver out of her pocket book resting under the folding table.
Judge Emma shoots first...is asked many questions later.
Moral: Who wins/who loses? Wait till the polls close I suppose...
The loonies strike again
To allay the usual right wing accusations at the very beginning, I own several firearms, know how to use them all, practice regularly, and I’m a good shot…
Yes, indeed. Being able to carry – and use – a favorite handgun in all kinds of heretofore forbidden situations will certainly make Minnesota a much safer and more civilized state… As Tom Rees suggests, Ms. Hoffman might be safer if she simply didn’t campaign at all this fall. The irony quotient of being shot by a constituent who "felt threatened" by Ms. Hoffman while she was trying to hand out campaign literature might be off the charts.
I agree with Mr. Tester’s first sentence, but we part ways after that. My own fond hope would be that, should Mr. Tester empty his .44 into someone who mistakenly tries to enter his camping tent at night, *any* Minnesota jury would put him away for a very long time.
That’s among the several real problems with this particular bill. Instead of relying on the traditional (dare I say "conservative"?) legal doctrine of what a “reasonable person” would do in the circumstance, the bill substitutes an unknowable, the state of mind of the gun user in the situation. Just because Mr. Tester feels threatened enough to empty his .44 into the chest of a fellow camper doesn’t necessarily mean that a reasonable observer would agree that a credible threat existed.
This bill has much in common with a lot of other GOP-proposed legislation on “social” issues – it’s driven by fear.
So, tongue firmly in cheek, I have to side with Bill Schletzer, and I laughed out loud when I read his first sentence. “Road rage” incidents, already dicey, could get very interesting, indeed, should Governor Dayton actually sign this bill into law.
Thank you MinnPost for a good report on Shoot First
"The Republican-controlled Senate spent two hours debating the proposal before approving it 40-23, largely along party lines."
I am simply appalled that the traditional media have failed so badly on reporting this one. One who should know better - Mary Lahammer - tweeted about this bill that it was "bipartisan."
"@mlahammer 40-23 gun Protection Bill passes Senate with bipartisan support #mnleg"
Ms. Lahammer needs to look into the meaning of the word bipartisan, e.g.
"marked by or involving cooperation, agreement, and compromise between two major political parties" (Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary)
Having 4 DFL votes on a measure (out of 27) and ALL GOP voting for it, hardly makes the legislation bipartisan.
This bill, which hopefully will be vetoed, is a very good example of the type of wedge issue politics being pushed by the right wing/Tea Party arm of the Minnesota GOP.
And no one makes this point more explicitly than the right wing blogger, Mitch Berg, on "Shot in the Dark." [sic]
"Let him [Gov. Dayton] veto it.
He ran as a pro-2nd Amendment candidate. He actively pandered to shooter voters, not as a mere hunter, but as a self-defense shooter (“I have a pair of .357 magnums!”).
Let him veto it, and watch every outstate DFLer go down in flames, and every open seat outside the metro go GOP for the next decade.
I effing dare him."
link: http://bit.ly/xM7Pm4
Pathetic wedge issue politics at its worst.
All I know is
I'm not going anywhere near Vergas. I'm staying here in the middle of Minneapolis, where people say hello to each other on the street and I feel safe.
What is this fetishistic fear? I've lived in urban settings all of my life and have never been in a situation where I would have felt better with a gun in my belt.
Jobs, anyone?
Conservatives should oppose this law
Because we shouldn't have state-imposed limits on when and where we exercise our right to self-defense.
Expanding the Castle Doctrine to start listing those scenarios of when and where it's ok to defend yourself and your family is both anti-2nd amendment and anti-10th amendment thinking.
A conservative would oppose this law for the same 10th amendment reason we would oppose allowing the government to start listing what we're allowed to do in a free society (as opposed to what we're not allowed to do).
The 10th amendment says that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The situations under which you are allowed to defend yourself and your family should be reserved not to the State, but to the people.
Laser-like Focus On Jobs
It's to know that the Republican is keeping it's focus on "jobs,jobs,jobs" and not just bringing up wedge issues like guns.
I *need* a "self defense" atom bomb...
It is purely defensive. If someone kills me--it goes off (thus, killing my killer ad preventing him/her from committing more murders). Seems perfectly legal under this law as far as I can tell. So WHY can't I get one at the store? One would think *every* convenience store would also have such a self-defense protective device--for the same logical reason.
What are they afraid of?
The gunslingers who favor the "Castle Doctrine" bill, that is. What are they so afraid of? Their fellow citizens, I guess, but why? Crime statistics hardly bear out living one's life in such fear that one must be packing all the time, and feel free to use it any time.
I too own guns and know how to use them. I too would defend my home against forced entry. But I see no need to pack in public. This is Minnesota in the 21st Century, for god's sake, not the wild west. The days of the James gang riding into town to hit the local bank are long behind us, and we should not wish to return to them.
I actually feel kind of sorry for people who feel so afraid all the time. That's no way to live. It would be one thing if we were living in Mogadishu, but Minnesota? Really?
Say, maybe it's a jobs bill in disguise? Too many applicants, not enough jobs - pick off a few weightlifter dudes on some concocted pretext and create some openings? Crafty, very crafty.
So now the Republicans want
So now the Republicans want any out of state resident to be able to carry in MN even if the training or rules for licensure are substandard to MN standards. As I recall, many states south of here don't even adequately identify and prevent mentally ill people from carrying. Wow, what a great idea! Can't we use the beloved 10th amendment to require enforcement of our laws? I do agree with the comments that this bill does increase the risk for door knocking politicians.
Home Field Advantatge
"By adding our proposed language, Minnesota will recognize every state that offers a carry permit..."
Any why would we want to give up our home field advantage??
Chance pay-out
What's even more disgusting than the lack of transparency in the Chance pay-out is that someone who doesn't teach, isn't in the classroom and has very little contact with students gets such a large salary and pay-out from a school district. This school district's values are really skewed. It's enough to make someone want to throw up.
Self defense
With all the garbage Republicans are trying to pull this year, including the constitutional amendments, it's no wonder why they're so worried about protecting themselves.