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Feh. And you can think about how the slave states were defeated and African slaves were freed.
It was men with guns.
RB Holbrook, your hyperbolic, condescending bigotry against gun owners as unintelligent neanderthals is noted, to wit: your references of "bunch of yokels", "issues out of the first chapter of "Freud for Dummies", "neo-confederates". I'm not surprised the Minnpost moderators allowed this one through. It is quite *uncivil*.
My point was to illuminate the fact that slavery was defeated, not by an argument between two parties - it was by aggressive military force using armed violence....
Do you, Mr. Rosenberg, believe the state should have a monopoly on armed violence?
you have never read any of the Federalist Papers.
Well-regulated, in the archaic sense, is well-disciplined or well-trained. It is not about "regulations" of "laws". See the Federalist Papers and the Militia Act of 1792.
Roger - don't come back until you've read up on it. Ignorant politicians make ignorant laws.
Do you believe the state should have a monopoly on armed violence?
1. Yes.
2. No.
If you're going to quote the Federalist papers, at least be intellectually honest enough to include the argument that Mr. Madison presented:
"...Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger...[to a regular army] would be opposed a militia amounting to...
Regulated militias are ones that are comprised of men, trained in the use of arms, and disciplined in the both the use of their weapons and their personal behavior.
"Incidentally, where do you get the "right" of self-defense? It is a common law right, enshrined in statute, but not mentioned in the Constitution."
Our rights are from G-d: "We, the people of the state of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings and...
Channing Florenz wrote:
"No individual citizens were hanging around to fight an army alone, that's just silly."
See "Warsaw Ghetto Uprising" for details. Lacking proper arms, Jews held off Nazi regulars for a month. Imagine if they had a few thousand Mausers, Berthiers or Mosins.
There are other examples that will easily refute your assertion.
"The Warsaw Uprising wasn't conducted [by] a ragtag bunch of citizens who just happened to have heavy arms laying around for the day their own government knocked on doors and demanded their arms."
You missed the point about Jewish civilians holding off Nazi regulars for a month.
Q.E.D.