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Pat Berg

Twin Cities
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Posted on 10/07/14 at 08:59 am in response to What I wish people knew about pig farming

You spent a lot of time discussing "savage" pig behaviors. What you left out is a discussion of whether or not those behaviors would be as prevalent (or as savage) if the pigs were not living with such high numbers in such confined quarters - regardless of whether that confinement is indoors or outdoors.

Crowding is also a stressor. And yes - if crowding is inherent in your setup, then you are probably going to need to resort to other "management" methods (such as gestation stalls)...

Posted on 10/07/14 at 06:31 pm in response to What I wish people knew about pig farming

where I said "I understand that economics play a role in this". Yes, I am fully aware that it would be far more expensive to raise pigs in an environment where they had much more room to roam. The crowding becomes an economic necessity - I understand that. I did not state whether I agreed with that or not.

However, it is hard to believe pigs would have survived evolutionarily had they spent all their time rolling over on their babies and drowning one another's litters. These are...

Posted on 10/08/14 at 02:16 pm in response to What I wish people knew about pig farming

Fourth paragraph down:

"I wish people were on our farm to see the looks on our faces after the drowning of newborn piglets who were savagely placed there by another pregnant sow."

Now, tell me more about my "elitist agenda" . . . . . . .

Posted on 10/08/14 at 02:20 pm in response to What I wish people knew about pig farming

"Dumb comments"?

Um - moderators - is this what passes for intelligent discussion?

As to whether or not the behaviors happen when pigs are not "in confinement" - I'd need some definitions of what does or does not constitute "confinement" as well as some comparisons of population densities of pigs in agriculture compared to population densities of wild, free-living pigs.

Posted on 10/09/14 at 08:45 am in response to What I wish people knew about pig farming

Well, I suppose I might call it "an unnatural counter-evolutionary behavior exacerbated by suboptimal population density".

Posted on 10/09/14 at 12:00 pm in response to What I wish people knew about pig farming

Domestication is unnatural. The fact that unnatural behaviors follow is not unexpected. Therefore, the need to utilize unnatural management techniques also comes into play.

Those are not value statements - they're simply statements of fact.

Where ethical lines start coming into play is when we acknowledge that we - the domesticators - have created this situation, and that therefore we - the domesticators - have choices in how we proceed to manage the situation.

Of...

Posted on 10/09/14 at 01:32 pm in response to What I wish people knew about pig farming

A responsible acceptance of our responsibilities.

It's really not all that difficult a concept to understand.

Posted on 10/09/14 at 01:36 pm in response to What I wish people knew about pig farming

Feral animals are those which once lived as domesticated animals which escaped at some point and are now living free. Feral animals are not the same as wild animals which have never been domesticated, and it is not uncommon for behaviors of feral animals to differ from those of their truly wild counterparts.

Posted on 10/09/14 at 04:26 pm in response to What I wish people knew about pig farming

Where did I advocate for creating feral hogs? You might wish to reread the thread. A little more slowly this time.

Posted on 10/09/14 at 10:38 pm in response to What I wish people knew about pig farming

I suppose they start chewing each others' tails off!