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Tad, you can see the roots of today's Tea Party with the Porkbusters campaign:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porkbusters
Note that this started in September of 2005 when Republicans controlled both houses of congress and the Presidency. It was also back when we were running quaint little $200 billion some deficits and not the trillion and a half that we're doing now.
Jackson, not only is that a fundamental misunderstanding of what representative democracy looks like, frankly I doubt that you believe it yourself. Al Franken was elected by the slimmest of majorities. Should he compromise on, say, his pro-choice positions?
Dan, the people on the right that supported Porkbusters, are the same ones that are now Tea Partiers. Twenty years ago they were Perot supporters. They've long been worried about overspending. Sometimes they're called fiscal hawks.
There was bipartisan support with Porkbusters, true. I'm not sure where the leftward contingent went since then. (I don't mean this as snark, I honestly don't know.) I know there are plenty of people on the left that want to believe that fiscal fears...
Dan #10, I think you're wrong about the typical Tea Partier, but if you want to bring some evidence rather than just your flat opinion, I'll certainly look at it.
Re: Republican votes during the Bush years. If you look at any of the current members that are labeled as Tea Party favorites/leaders that were serving back then you'll find plenty of quotes from them worried about the money that was being spent. They held their noses and voted anyway as part of the compromise that they're...
Frankly it is more important to me that they get it right than that achieve the lofty grounds of 'compromise'. Having said that I'd rather not go into default, even if that means getting a less than ideal deal.
I think one of the reasons that Tea Party folks aren't afraid of default is because the rhetoric being used is so over the top. They remember how we had to rush to pass the Patriot Act, TARP and the various bailouts. In retrospect, it would have been nice if we'd dragged our...
Paul (#8), I'm not sure how the comment connects to anything that I've written. I don't disagree with it at all.
I mentioned doubts about the rhetoric being used a couple of days ago. Since then we've learned that a) August 2nd really isn't the drop dead day, b) the White House hasn't bothered to actually write up a proposal(!) and c) both Boehner and Reid have similar proposals out there on how to tie this up.
This suggests to me a fairly last minute deal. Isn't this...
Ray, all presidents face opposition. Seriously, each and every one of them. W Bush faced very organized opposition from day one. That's the reality of the position. You yourself will be part of the this the next time a Republican president is elected.
It's interesting that you bring up Clinton's 'vast right-wing conspiracy' in this context. She said that as a way to prove that her husband didn't fool around with the intern pool and she was decidedly not proven correct. Rep Weiner...
Neal (#5) "Once again, the heart of all disagreements have to do with who he is instead of what he does." Let's try a little thought experiment. Let's say that John Edwards won the '08 Dem nomination, beat McCain and was now president. If he had introduced a similar health care bill would he have faced Republican opposition or would they have quietly gone along with it? He is a southerner, white and quite wealthy, the caricatured ideal picture of conservative desires. So there would...
He had long reached the point where he was too ridiculous to be an effective representative.
I'll certainly agree with Ray #2 that it's unethical but I think that he goes a bit too far in his condemnation. In the special election that was just held in New York a long time Dem ran as a tea party candidate in order to confuse voters. Should the NY Democratic party fold up shop and 'be driven from power and influence'?
The remedy here is exactly what's happening. Sunlight and transparency.