Mulling over the GOP YouTube debate

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee (L) and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney
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Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, left, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney exchange views during Wednesday’s CNN/YouTube/Republican Party presidential candidates’ debate.

 

Earlier this year, Republican presidential candidates declined to repeat the Democrats’ YouTube debate experiment, but after succumbing Wednesday, it was hard to remember why. Moderator Anderson Cooper began by promising a “difference in tone and substance,” and he was certainly right. Although debate sponsor CNN started with a YouTuber’s ode to each candidate (he slid a few digs into the stanzas), the user-generated entertainment value was much lower than for the Dems. The best was an animated, rifle-wielding Dick Cheney asking whether the next veep would have as much power as the flesh-and-blood version does. Guys throwing around guns and Bibles were more typical questioners.

The night’s preoccupations, as filtered by CNN? Illegal immigrants (four of 34 questions), federal spending (four), gays (three), guns (three), Iraq (three) and abortion (two). There were no questions about global warming or health care — which ranks above budget deficits, abortion or gay marriage as Republican concerns, according to a Pew Center survey.

Quick impressions from a guy who has voted in seven presidential elections, never for a Republican: Huckabee clearly won, both aesthetically and strategically. The guy does “compassionate conservative” so much better, and with much more élan, than George W. Bush ever did. John McCain — hell-bent for New Hampshire — stood his ground like a Granite Stater, shaming first-primary rival Mitt Romney on waterboarding, where McCain’s opposition is more New England-friendly. It was a rough night for Giuliani, who was peppered with the most attack questions (9/11 exploitation, possible shady billing of mayoral security expenses, rooting for the Red Sox as a Yankees fan) and seemed defensive all night, fumbling answers on the Bible and gun control. Even on offense, America’s Mayor ended up botching a hit on Mitt Romney’s immigration record. Romney gave his most succinct statement about his abortion flip-flop — “I was wrong” — and probably reassured a few more wary conservatives. Fred Thompson had some good laugh lines but failed to make much of an impression.

Huckabee in spotlight
Right now, Huckabee is the story, since he has now taken the lead in Iowa (at least the religiously conservative GOP caucus-going part of it). Although he’s vulnerable on taxes (he raised them in Arkansas, to fund education) and illegals (he gave scholarships to their kids), Huckabee deftly parried by noting that income taxes had not gone up while he was governor, and immigrant children received available education benefits: “We’re not going to punish a child because the parent committed a crime. That’s not what we typically do in this country.”

Those tripwires navigated, Huckabee proved smooth in a knife fight. When a Bible-wielding YouTuber stated, “How you answer this question will tell us everything we need to know about you. Do you believe every word of this book?” Giuliani, first up, stumbled. Huck, an ordained minister rushed in with “Do I need to help you out, Mayor?” before giving a surprisingly nuanced answer, noting, “It’s the word of revelation to us from God himself,” yet “as the only person here on the stage with a theology degree, there are parts of it I don’t fully comprehend and understand, because the Bible is a revelation of an infinite god, and no finite person is ever going to fully understand it. If they do, their god is too small.” (Romney also fumbled this question, especially deadly given his “Mormon problem” with the GOP religious base. He paused, ducked the “every word” part. That forced Cooper to pin him down; the gears were clearly grinding before Romney replied, “You know — yes, I believe it’s the word of God.”) Huckabee joked his way around question about whether Jesus would approve the death penalty, and advocated shooting Hillary Clinton to Mars.

Illegal immigration is the wedge issue the minority party hopes will propel them to the presidency; it is also potent in the still-fluid nomination fight. This morning’s headlines are dominated by Romney and Giuliani’s off-the-bat spat. Giuliani is hugely vulnerable on the issue, having supported many illegal-friendly policies (mostly on practical grounds) as mayor. His scripted response last night was to counterbalance this mile-high record with an anecdote about Romney running a “sanctuary mansion.” Although the details were never really explained, Romney used the “homeowner defense” that millions of Americans (including GOPers) can probably relate to: that he outsourced the work to a contractor, and couldn’t possibly vet all their workers.

“If you are a homeowner and you hire a company to come provide a service at your home — paint the home, put on the roof … If you hear someone with a funny accent, you, as a homeowner, are supposed to go out there and say, ‘I want to see your papers.’ Is that what you’re suggesting?”

At this point, I would swear I heard Romney get a dig in at Giuliani’s own “vetting problem” — the mayor’s recently indicted close pal, ex-Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik — though I can’t find that in the transcript. Expect to hear a lot more about that Bernie on the campaign trail if Giuliani’s mansion anecdote has legs.

‘Gotchas’ overshadowed news
Despite the second pass at novelty, the YouTube debate did not tell us much new beyond the gotchas. For Minnesotans living under a no-new-taxes pledge, Huckabee, Romney, Giuliani and Duncan Hunter said yes to a federal version (tax-hikers Huckabee and Giuliani apparently can regain their virginity here), while Paul, Thompson and McCain declined. All advocated spending restraint, but when specifics were brought up, Romney and Giuliani backed farm subsidies, Huckabee favored a bigger space program, and no one went near defense cuts. Among the front-runners, only generalities were offered: Giuliani would cut the federal workforce by 21 percent over 10 years; Romney would veto all earmarks (though it’s worth noting the president lacks a line-item veto). When entitlements came up, only Thompson (who has proposed trimming yearly retiree increases) addressed Social Security, whose funding problem pales in comparison to Medicare, which only he mentioned, unspecifically.

A question opposing waterboarding showcased Romney’s preoccupation with the GOP base. After Romney said he opposed torture, Cooper asked him if waterboarding constituted torture. Romney’s dodge was Bushian: “I don’t think it’s wise for us to describe specifically which measures we would and would not use” — as if there’s any terrorist in the world to whom waterboarding is a secret.

McCain then set Romney up with the old one-two.

McCain: Governor, I’m astonished that you haven’t found out what waterboarding is.

Romney: I know what waterboarding is, Senator.

McCain: Then I am astonished that you would think … that that’s not torture. It’s in violation of the Geneva Convention. It’s in violation of existing law… And, governor, let me tell you, if we’re going to get the high ground in this world and we’re going to be the America that we have cherished and loved for more than 200 years, we’re not going to torture people.

Finally, a bit of the horse race: The libertarian Paul refused to go Shermanesque when asked if he would run as an independent. Paul called it a “tough question” and stated he had “no intention of doing this.” Given that libertarians typically draw more from the GOP’s base, Republican knees had to buckle a little bit at that.

Comments (7)

  1. Submitted by Jackley Jackley on 11/29/2007 - 01:54 pm.

    Did anyone besides myself gag when the audience started booing the retired general, admittedly homosexual, who asked the candidates about “don’t ask don’t tell”?

    I can’t believe we heard responses like the “mostly” conservative troops shouldn’t have to be subjected to working with individuals who practice a lifestyle that goes against their beliefs… is this really the America we live in?

  2. Submitted by David Brauer on 11/29/2007 - 05:19 pm.

    kickin’ myself for not wedging the general in there. He was certainly a highlight of the night. I’d love to see real people really debate these guys on issues they know – now THAT would be a good format.

  3. Submitted by Paul Linnee on 11/29/2007 - 08:00 pm.

    David: I am a life long democrat and can’t imagine voting for a Republican for President. That being said, I did watch much of the CNN-You Tube GOP debate and I could actually picture myself listening to and respecting a President Huckabee for four or eight years, should that become a reality.

    Now mind you, I would never vote for him, but I think he is now the class and conscience of the GOP and deserves their support.

  4. Submitted by David Brauer on 11/29/2007 - 08:16 pm.

    There is the abortion-as-holocaust and virulently gay marriage thing to consider, plus there’s a long record of ethical improprieties in Arkansas. See salon.com and search for huckabee. Interesting piece from an alt-weekly editor down there.

    All that said, he appears to be a hell of a pol, and a lot less phony than Mitt or the increasingly pandering Rudy.

    Methinks even with scandal problems, Huck would look good next to Hillary. Like Bush, his policies wouldn’t be as popular as he is, but – especially on immigration – he’s what Rove wants: a guy who can lure some Hispanics back and keep the biz base intact.

  5. Submitted by Barry Clegg on 11/29/2007 - 08:27 pm.

    Planted or not, I was appalled by the answers to General Kerr’s question. I am not that old (not quite anyway) – but if you replaced the word “gay” with the word “black,” the answers last night probably sounded much like the apologists for segregation in the armed forces prior to President Truman’s 1948 presidential order to integrate. “Cohesion” – yeah right… Where is Harry when we need him?

  6. Submitted by Gary Peterson on 11/30/2007 - 11:50 am.

    A prediction from a life-long Democrat: Huckabee will be either #1 or #2 on the GOP ticket.

  7. Submitted by Hart Van Denburg on 12/01/2007 - 10:09 am.

    McCain kept up the Romney/waterboarding issue the next day: “I would also hope he would not want to be associated with a technique which was invented in the Spanish Inquisition, was used by Pol Pot in one of the great eras of genocide in history, and is being use on Burmese monks as we speak.”

    And, “There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as torture, otherwise we wouldn’t have tried and convicted Japanese for doing that same thing to Americans.”

    He may, as you say, be playing to New Hampshire voters, but the truth is, he’s making scant headway there, with a little more than a month to go before the votes are cast. The latest Rasmussen tracking poll has Romney with 34 percent and McCain, Rudy and Huckabee fighting over second place with about 15 percent, for example. And, at least in Rasmussen’s survey, Romney’s lead is growing all the time. What’s behind all that, do you think?

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