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Assault rifles were banned in the U.S. for 10 years; 2nd Amendment rights were not curtailed

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Let’s be clear: Assault rifles are not used for hunting.

The Parkland, Florida, shooting raised awareness and started a conversation about how to curtail gun violence in our country. This terrible incident gave students across our nation a platform to become impassioned gun control advocates and promote common-sense changes to our laws – such as a ban on assault rifles – to prevent mass shooting tragedies from ever happening again. Since then, we’ve heard from political opponents and the NRA that banning assault rifles is a gateway to taking away our second amendment rights. There is nothing further from the truth.

Sen. Bobby Joe Champion

Since 2007, at least 173 people have been killed in mass shootings in the United States involving AR-15s, according to a New York Times analysis. The grim list of assault weapons involved in crimes includes Newtown, Connecticut; Las Vegas; San Bernardino, California; and now Parkland, Florida.

Let’s be clear: Assault rifles are not used for hunting. Assault rifles are not used for protection. Assault rifles are designed for the military to kill and to kill as many people as possible quickly and efficiently. There is no reason for people to have an assault rifle that can fire off rounds quickly. They cause more harm than good and are far from a necessity. There are other ways for people to hunt or defend themselves without assault weapons. 

A ban on assault rifles is not in any way, shape or form an attack on the Second Amendment. We banned assault weapons for 10 years from 1994 through 2004 without any – I repeat any – infringements on Second Amendment rights. The NRA, gun sellers and manufacturers of guns want to sell more weapons. They exploit people’s fears and tell them if we ban automatic weapons, we’ll soon be banning all guns including hunting rifles and handguns. Nothing can be further from the truth.

Most people don’t even remember that a ban on assault weapons was in effect for 10 years in America. It didn’t affect their Second Amendment rights and it didn’t cause a wave of anti-gun legislation. The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) enacted a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms it defined as assault weapons, as well as certain ammunition magazines it defined as “large capacity.”

The ban prohibited the manufacture, transfer or possession of “semiautomatic assault weapons” which were identified either by specific make or model or by specific characteristics that slightly varied according to whether the weapon was a pistol, rifle or shotgun. The act also prohibited the transfer and possession of “large capacity ammunition feeding devices” (LCAFDs). An LCAFD was defined as “any magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device manufactured after the date [of the act] that has the capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition.”

Since Congress let the ban expire in 2004, the number of rifles manufactured in the United States increased threefold to 4 million in 2013. That was one year after a gunman killed his mother and then 26 others at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Since 2008, U.S companies have manufactured more than 70 million firearms, including pistols and assault rifles.

The United States should seriously consider re-enacting the ban on manufacturing and further purchases of assault-style rifles. History has proven a ban will not infringe on or change our Second Amendment rights. The public supports this. According to a new poll from Business Insider’s partner MSN, 70 percent of Americans — and more than half of Republicans — support stricter laws on assault weapons. We’ve done it before and we can do it again.

Let’s make progress on protecting our children, protecting our families and protecting all Americans from gun violence with a common-sense ban on assault rifles.

Bobby Joe Champion was elected to the Minnesota State Senate in 2012 representing District 5,9 which includes portions of downtown and north Minneapolis. Champion served in the Minnesota House of Representatives for four years. He received his J.D. from William Mitchell College of Law

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  1. Submitted by Tom Christensen on 04/13/2018 - 03:30 pm.

    It’s Time to Modernize the Second Amendment

    The Second Amendment was approved in 1791 when there wasn’t a single gun with anywhere near the capability, capacity, or killing power of some of today’s guns. Today’s high capacity magazines and high-powered cartridges have only one purpose, high capacity killing. They are weapons of war. There is not any need for the public to have them. It’s Congress and the NRA that has the blood on their hands by not doing a single thing to bring the Second Amendment up to today’s reality. There weren’t any weapons of war in 1791 that come anywhere near the capability of today’s weapons. It is time to modernize the Second Amendment. I know it will be a hard-fought slog going up against our weakling congress’ sugar daddy, the NRA.

    The NRA and gun industry have a symbiotic relationship, which isn’t necessarily good for the public. Gun ownership and responsibility need to go together and not everyone is capable of the responsibility part. Walk into any gun shop today and there will be a wall of black, radical looking guns that don’t have anything to do with traditional American sports. For me, the radical looking guns are peddling exactly what the NRA peddles – fear and intimidation.

    • Submitted by Christopher Hoffman on 04/14/2018 - 06:03 pm.

      At the time of founding, the second amendment protected the most lethal long arms known to man. Those muskets were quite lethal and could reach a fair distance with some accuracy.

      Today, neither criminals nor lawful citizens load their arms one projectile at a time.

      Self evidently, if a law abiding citizen could not possess arms sufficient to oppose the type of arms commonly in circulation (all of which share nearly identical performance characteristics), then the second amendment would be gutted of its primary purpose.

      • Submitted by Tom Christensen on 04/14/2018 - 10:50 pm.

        Your response is why the NRA approach is wrong

        If we keep arming everyone the violence will just escalate. You and I know the NRA pushes their approach because it works really well for the manufacturers they support. Of course the NRA has misinterpreted the 2nd amendment to their favor. It is up to common sense to prevail. There is more to owning a gun than just owning it. Responsibility also goes along with ownership and not all are capable of responsibility, which is proven daily in America.

    • Submitted by Robert Bruce on 12/01/2018 - 06:25 am.

      You really don’t get it, do you? In 1791 the muzzle loading, flint lock musket was the “assault weapon” of its time. The British marched into the Colonies with these weapons on their shoulders and colonials used either the same “Brown Bess” musket, or modified flint lock muskets that had either smooth bore or even rifled barrels to improve accuracy (commonly called the “Kentucky Long Rifle)–in some cases out to unheard of distances of 300 yards. So, in many cases, colonials actually carried muskets that exceeded the lethality and accuracy of those carried by the greatest military power in the world. The Second Amendment was recognized by the new government of this country with the idea in mind that this nation had–by the skin of its teeth–managed to defeat that power in the most unlikely of victories. In addition, the Second Amendment was recognized as the worthy addendum to the first rule of the British Common Law: that citizens/subjects had the right to self-defense. The members of that new government (or at least the men who created that new government) understood that arms were the surest means by which the people–you know, the reason why government exists? To serve the people? Try to keep that in mind–could maintain their freedom. If you don’t believe me, I’ll quote a few guys who kind of knew what they were talking about: “The government cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword…because all of the people are armed” –John Adams; “And what shall preserve the public liberty? Let them [the people] take arms! The tree of liberty must, from time to time, by refreshed by the blood of patriots and tyrants alike.” –Thomas Jefferson. There are many more that I could quote here right off the top of my head, but hopefully you get the idea. And the idea is this: the Second Amendment doesn’t exist so that you and I can hunt squirrels with a bolt action, .22 long rifle. The Second Amendment exists to make sure that the government doesn’t get too uppity in restricting our rights, overtaxing us, and basically violating their de facto charter, which is to serve and protect the citizens of this nation–NOT to lord over them as they would do if we were not armed. Which brings me back to your uninformed statement about so-called “assault rifles” (which they are not, by the way, but I’ll leave that argument for another time). You speak of 1791. Yes, in 1791 citizens and the government were about on a par with one another–whether British or American government–when it came to small arms firepower. Everyone carried the rough equivalent in the flint lock musket. Well, if you haven’t noticed, the people who would take your freedoms away aren’t carrying flintlock muskets anymore. They have TRUE assault rifles–select fire rifles that can be place on either semi or full automatic. The semi-auto AR-15 is a civilian facsimile of the M16 or M4. The AR15 is NOT a true assault rifle–but it at least allows for something like to firepower parity with those positioned to “[abridge our rights] by the sword.” When you say that a civilian has no use, or no right, to own such a rifle, it is you who are way out on a very shaky limb: if you believe that human nature has somehow improved since 1791 and that governments, once the populace is divested of its ability to fight back with a reasonable facsimile of what government troops are carrying, you can kiss your right to much of anything good bye. Rights enumerated on a piece of paper are all well and good–and sound really nice. What you seem to have forgotten is the fact that those rights have been paid for in patriot blood more times that I care to mention and aren’t worth the paper they are written on unless you can back up rights with action or the potential for action. Without the means to ensure that those rights will not be abridged yet again by a tyrannical government the people need recourse by arms to fight back: and if you think that smooth bore, flint lock, Brown Bess a la` 1791 muskets are going to do the job against troops and federal law enforcement armed with the latest, REAL assault rifles…well, I’ll let you stand in the first rank and see how long you last (that is if you don’t tuck tail and run at the first whiff of cordite). Mr. Champion’s doesn’t want you to contemplate any of this, which is why it is conspicuously absent from his essay. It’s an “inconvenient truth” about human nature and human governance that every society going back to the ancients have forbidden their people from being armed, or highly restricted the use of arms, in order to control those people. The fear mongering on the Left about firearms ownership and the Second Amendment has everything to do with that pesky American penchant for wanting to live in a free society and not be continually molested by the government–they don’t want you to think too deeply on the subject or do something REALLY radical like read the Federalist Papers and discover that it is the GOVERNMENT which has left the reservation when it comes to the preservation of individual rights. Our government was set up so that we might not be molested in that way–and the lynch pin to that set of freedoms is being able to, literally, fight back when the government oversteps its boundaries. Mr. Champion would have you believe that government is represented by his disingenuous smiling face and a pervasive “Oh, we would NEVER do that to the American people” attitude that makes me sick. Technology has indeed changed since 1791, but human nature has not. Those in power wish to stay in power and would squash your rights and mine in a moment if they believed that they could get away with it–they try it EVERY DAY. The single greatest bulwark against their savage impulses to disassemble the Constitution and its protections is the Second Amendment–tyrants everywhere fear it and its real meaning. Why? Because it means that you and I, citizens, don’t have to lie down or jump when the government tells us to because they are armed and we are not. So, do you get it now? And, just so you can be fully informed, please reference this article by (amazingly) the NYT. It outlines that if you have the misfortune of being shot in this country, chances are almost non-existent that it will be with an AR15, or any other so-called “assault rifle” civilian facsimile.

  2. Submitted by Richard Adair on 04/14/2018 - 07:35 am.

    Calling out B.S.

    Thank you, Senator Champion, for exposing the “slippery slope” argument. When assault weapons were banned, no further restrictions on gun ownership followed.

    To obtain political support for reinstating this ban we need to listen to and understand the language of the many sensible NRA members. Hunters want explicit support for their second amendment right to own hunting guns (“Nothing in this bill shall be construed to infringe…”). And those who believe in self defense by a “good guy with a gun” will understand that forcing an active shooter to take time to reload gives the good guys time to take him on.

    In a democracy, listening to people who don’t think like you is usually the path forward.

  3. Submitted by Paul Udstrand on 04/14/2018 - 11:58 am.

    Yes but…

    There were significant holes built into that assault rifle ban, a new ban needs to be more comprehensive and air tight. What we need a clear and simple definition, and a comprehensive ban on all sales by anyone to anyone with the exception collectors with tight license, regulated gun clubs, and law enforcement. We would have to set up a buy-back for those who finally realize they don’t need or want those guns and need to get rid of them legally.

  4. Submitted by Dennis Wagner on 04/14/2018 - 01:26 pm.

    “promote common-sense changes to our laws”

    Remember: The NRA position is conceal and carry, open carry, everywhere, anywhere all the time with as much fire power as you can handle, be prepared to kill or be killed 24-7-365. There has got to be a better way.

  5. Submitted by Wayne Kantola on 04/15/2018 - 08:53 am.

    More Inaccurate Information

    Once again, those calling for “common sense” restrictions demonstrate their lack of common sense. BJ writes “They exploit people’s fears and tell them if we ban automatic weapons”. Automatic weapons are already banned BJ. Talk about exploiting people’s fears? This one is simple. If you don’t like the second amendment, amend it. All you have to do is get 2/3rds of congress and 3/4ths of the states to agree with you.

    • Submitted by Bill Willy on 04/15/2018 - 03:51 pm.

      Common Sense Deluxe

      I didn’t find anything too scary in anything Bobby Joe Champion had to say but, I suppose, if a person is inclined to listen to and side with the things the (apparently) fear-ridden leader of the NRA, Wayne Lapierre, has to say every time he speaks to the flock, it MAY make them at least a little concerned (about how terrible life in America would become if what Senator Champion’s talking about happens).

      But when it comes to common sense (or lack of it) and playing on people’s fear’s (or trying to make people see reality for what it is — depending on a person’s point of view) and to expand a little on what the Senator was saying about the kind of things the King of the NRA says and how some of it MIGHT be designed to freak people out, here’s some of what Wayne Lapierre had to say (at the “C-PAC” get together) just after this year’s high school shooting in Florida (no politically correct “thoughts and prayers” pablum from THIS guy!):

      “The elites don’t care not one whit about America’s school system and schoolchildren . . . They care more about control, and more of it.

      “Their goal is to eliminate the second amendment and our firearms freedoms so they can eradicate all individual freedoms.

      “They hate the NRA, they hate the second amendment, they hate individual freedom.

      “They oppose our fundamental freedoms enshrined in the bill of rights.

      “They are the socialist enemy and they have a political disease.

      “The Communist Manifesto and Karl Marx are ascendant on university campuses.

      “You should be anxious and you should be frightened. If these so-called European socialists take over the House and the Senate and, God forbid, they win the White House again our American freedoms could be lost and our country will be changed forever, and the first to go will be the second amendment to the US constitution.”

      It’s obvious Big Wayne (says he) believes that anyone who doesn’t agree with his, the NRA’s and many of his most ardent follower’s view of reality — which is now at least 70 percent of the American people — is an elite, a socialist AND The Enemy . . . The Enemy that doesn’t give a whit about schoolchildren because they have a disease that is making them want to take away each and every Fundamental Right and Freedom Americans have! . . . Freedoms and Rights that are enshrined in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights!!!!

      Yes yes yes . . . The guy is just dripping with common sense, isn’t he?

      And people actually PAY the organization that pays him millions per year to keep dreaming up and pumping out that kind of stuff because, I guess, he’s so good at saying what they either can’t or won’t say (in public) because some of their (elite) neighbors might start to wonder (which, of course, could cause one of those neighbors to call the Deep State Gun Hoarder Tip Line Tip Line to put them on The List the goons doing the Total Confiscation of Freedoms dirty work will be working off of as soon as the kind of bills Bobby Joe Champion’s talking about start passing like popcorn!)

      Must be about time to get those bunkers built or finished and make sure everyone’s bug-out packs are well-stocked and the rendevouz coordinates set, eh?

  6. Submitted by Kathleen Murphy on 04/15/2018 - 10:44 am.

    Gun Control

    Senator Champion’s MinnPost article is a bright spot in these dark times. The article speaks out against a societal norm that is shifting dangerously toward fear and self-preservation at all costs. It is a refreshing reminder that the voices of common-sense independent thinkers are still out there.

    If our young people must grow up in a school environment where the norm is lock-downs and armed teachers, they have little to look forward to as adults. We all have a part to play in fending off this new norm. Thank you to those politicians who are stepping up to lead in the right direction. Their voices will prevail over the monied fear-mongering NRA.

    Thank you Senator Champion for your tenacity and courage,

    Kathleen Murphy
    Grandma for Gun Control

  7. Submitted by joseph olson on 04/15/2018 - 11:54 am.

    Pesky facts.

    1. The Girandoni repeating rifle was invented in 1779 so REPEATING, non-muzzle loading rifles with self contained ammunition were contemplated in 1791. The Puckle gun was patented in 1718. The desirability was there and the door was open. Radio waves were neither.

    2. The Bill of Rights is about “rights” not needs. Most of us will never have a need to remain silent but, nevertheless, all of us have the right to do so. Use of a Constitutional right is our choice.

    3. Guns are not ambulatory nor self-motivating. They are pieces of machined steel which gather dust and rust without HUMAN intervention. Humans can have the WILL to kill, inanimate objects do not. The Human mind determines what, when, how, and how many. Machined steel has no volition.

    4. London (where guns are banned) just topped NYC (where guns are widely held) in murders. How? They use knives. Now the UK is in a “ban the knife” frenzy. What is needed is a ban on “evil” people roving our streets and schools. As long as the human is free, he can CHOOSE to kill.

    • Submitted by Frank Phelan on 04/16/2018 - 07:22 am.

      Given That

      Murder is much more efficiently accomplished with a gun than a knife, it is entirely possible that the murder rate in London would be much higher were guns more available. (And if knives are just as effective as guns, why all the hullabaloo about guns? Just buy a knife.)

      This suggestion that a law will not be 100% effective in preventing a particular crime is ridiculous. We don’t apply that standard to laws against bank robbery, rape, tax evasion, or driving while intoxicated. Why would we apply that to standard to guns?

  8. Submitted by Kathie Noga on 04/15/2018 - 04:04 pm.

    Assault guns

    Thank you, Senator Champion for a well written piece on the topic. He is my State Senator and he really knows his facts and really knows how to run a town hall meeting. Yes, hunters would not be using these guns. It is so sad that bills get tabled at the Capitol, like background checks, which the majority of people want, by certain parties who want to hold power over others. This was got to stop, so people need to vote these people out.

    • Submitted by Misty Martin on 04/16/2018 - 12:17 pm.

      Yes, Indeed it is a well written piece on this important topic.

      Thank you again, Senator Champion. Now it’s up to American voters to do just what Kathie said, vote these people out and start protecting our children from these dangerous weapons that no one really needs. We can still have our 2nd amendment rights just like this article points out; however, we don’t need weapons of war in American citizens’ hands.

  9. Submitted by Dave Fisher on 04/15/2018 - 04:53 pm.

    Assault weapons may or may not be used for hunting, but that cannot be the real issue here. Guns, in and of themselves, are not the “problem”. Few people will argue against the use of guns for sports-minded hunting and recreational use. The “problem” is that we have developed in this country, alone among all countries, the notion that individuals need guns of all kinds to protect themselves against a nameless and unidentifiable threat, anytime, anywhere, any way. So we have laws on the books now promoting conceal-and-carry and stand-your-ground that have nothing to do with hunting or gun safety. It is “gun culture” — a culture where it is a “right” to use guns of all kinds when and if deemed necessary by any individual, whether or not that individual is schooled in the use of guns in an open society — that is the threat to democracy.

  10. Submitted by Tom Christensen on 04/16/2018 - 07:10 am.

    The incorrect simplistic NRA’s view on what kills.

    It isn’t the gun that kills it is the human. The NRA is half right, there is a human involved. A gun is not an inert object and it too is involved. As soon as the trigger is pulled it then becomes the gun that kills. Guns with high capacity magazines and high killing power are strictly weapons of war and should not be available to the public. If weapons of war are not available to the human involved there will far less people killed with the gun. There are those who quote the requirements to change the second amendment. They want you to feel overwhelmed, so you’ll give in, it’s hopeless to make changes, mainly because it helps their case of wanting high capacity killing weapons. The NRA is killing American’s daily with their simplistic definition of what does the killing. Wayne LaPierre, the NRA spokesman, makes millions each year to make his ridiculous comments each time the NRA defends the gun as not being the killer.

  11. Submitted by Tom Anderson on 04/16/2018 - 11:37 pm.

    “Let’s be clear: Assault rifles are not used for hunting.”

    A few days ago I started reading an article in the most recent issue of Outdoor Life magazine about hunting feral pigs in Oklahoma. The author recommended six different guns to use when hunting the wild porkers, two of them AR-15s.

  12. Submitted by John Appelen on 04/17/2018 - 07:43 am.

    Now I actually agree with the Senator, however I also see why the NRA supporters are so nervous about the slippery slope. Here the topic is purely regarding very lethal weapons that are not protected by the 2nd amendment. As a judge just ruled again recently.

    And then next thing commenters are complaining about conceal and carry laws… How do we get both sides to allow people to carry the appropriate weapon for the current situation?

    The NRA is correct that a “good person” with a hand gun can make a difference in a bad situation…

    • Submitted by Tom Christensen on 04/17/2018 - 05:16 pm.

      The NRA Good Person with a gun is bunk

      Those who have conceal and carry permits have a big responsibility which many won’t be able to live up to. Just because a person has a permit and a gun doesn’t make them good with it. You have to practice to get good and most won’t practice. Some are going to shoot and cause collateral damage hitting people that are not involved which equal law suits for them. Many conceal and carry folks are going to end up in jail because they shot under the wrong circumstance. There are specified requirements when you can and can’t shoot. The NRA cries they are going to take our guns away is not true. The weapons of war, high capacity, high firing rate, mass killing guns are the ones that need to be removed. They are not target practice or hunting weapons they are weapons of war. The NRA is not the publics friend. The only real friends the NRA has are the gun industry. The more fear and intimidation the NRA can generate the more guns the manufactures will sell.

      • Submitted by John Appelen on 04/18/2018 - 09:42 am.


        Bad things may happen if no “good guy” has a gun also. I’ll stick with supporting conceal and carry.

        Most of my friends own AR15 style weapons for the fun of it and for target practice. They are a great conversation pieces and fun to shoot. I would prefer that they stay in the market, however the loss of innocent life they enable is not worth having that “hobby gun” readily available in our society.

        I mean if their legal owners can not held accountable for where they are and how they are used… That is a big problem. Here were my ideas for fixing the problems.

    • Submitted by Paul Udstrand on 04/19/2018 - 11:19 am.

      Slippery slope arguments are literally logical fallacies

      Logicians and intellectuals since the ancient Greeks have recognized the fact that slippery slope arguments are spurious logical fallacies. It’s like arguing that if we make people who drive cars obtain drivers licenses pretty soon no one will be driving cars. Or arguing that if allow abortion it’s just a matter of time before we’re killing seniors in their nursing home beds.

      To the extent that the NRA and other gun “rights” supporters do use a slippery slope argument they’re being irrational and illogical. Slippery slope arguments don’t make sense, they don’t “explain” anything, they just reveal the intellectual vacuity of those who use them.

      In this case you just have a bunch of hysterical privileged mostly white guys freaking out because think someone is going to take their stuff away. Pure and simple.

  13. Submitted by Kevin Vick on 04/17/2018 - 07:38 pm.

    Facts Beat Hyperbole

    Two independent studies of the so-called “assault” weapon ban of 1984 showed it had little to no effect on gun homicides. Only 2% of all gun homicides are committed by people with rifles of any type, let alone “assault” rifles. More mass shootings are committed with handguns than “assault” rifles. (DOJ)

    60% of gun homicides are suicide. Gun homicide has fallen 50% in the past twenty five years. (DOJ and Pew Research) Accidental gun deaths are at their lowest rates since 1903 and represent 1% of all accidental deaths. (National Safety Council)

    “Let’s be clear: Assault rifles are not used for hunting. Assault rifles are not used for protection.” – Senator Champion. This is factually incorrect.

    Senator Champion should present fact-based arguments, not agenda driven opinions that pander to his constituents.

    • Submitted by John Appelen on 04/18/2018 - 09:45 am.

      Facts and Data

      So I ground the numbers and found that mass shootings are much more lethal thanks to the easy availability of these particular weapons. See here for the numbers.

      • Submitted by Kevin Vick on 04/19/2018 - 05:18 pm.

        Less than 2%

        And yet, less than 2% of all gun homicide is by people using a rifle of any type, let alone so-called “assault” rifles. So, let’s ignore 98% of gun homicides. Let’s ignore that 60% of that gun homicide is suicide. Let’s focus on the 2%. Misplaced priorities.

        • Submitted by John Appelen on 04/20/2018 - 09:45 am.


          I personally am indifferent as to how someone chooses to kill themselves, that seems a personal choice of preference.

          I dislike that innocents are killed by guns in gang disputes and crimes of passion, however usually that is 1 or 2 at a time and a knife may be an easy substitute if guns were not available. That is a bigger problem.

          However it is simply unacceptable that our children can not go to school, concerts, church, etc without having to at least think what they will do if someone randomly opens fire on them with one of these very lethal weapons.

          Now if you read my links, you will realize that I am pro conceal and carry because a “good man” may be able to foil an incident where a “bad man” has a knife or hand gun. However I am anti large clip assault rifles because no “good man” with a handgun could have prevented or stopped the Las Vegas deaths, injuries and emotional trauma.

          And now that a mass shooter has used that method. It is just a matter of time before it happens at a High School game, another outside event, etc.

          • Submitted by Dave Eischens on 04/20/2018 - 12:21 pm.

            Agreed, simply unacceptable

            Above all, children should expect to be secure and feel safe at school with no thought of being injured or killed by weapons of war. Have seen many responsible gun owners on the same page.

            Not convinced on the conceal and carry however since it’s an extension of the “good guy with a gun” theory. (Or IMO more a fear-based sales tactic of gun manufacturers.) Not sure the data supports it or can prove it, making it more a hypothesis. But do agree there is reasonable ground somewhere, just need to cut through the hyperbole and profit motives.

            Good analysis on your blog link btw.

            • Submitted by Dennis Wagner on 04/20/2018 - 03:08 pm.

              The good man

              Define the good man? Seems Zimmerman was a good man but took out Travon Martin! We are all good men until we aren’t anymore. Suspect our Las Vegas shooter was also a good man until he wasn’t anymore as well. As Dave noted seem to be playing pretty squishy with reality.

    • Submitted by Paul Udstrand on 04/20/2018 - 08:48 am.

      Transparent fallacies

      One of the more common transparent fallacies proffered by gun lobbyists are homicide statistics, and other general crime statistics. This is debate gaming pretending to be analysis.

      For instance pointing to crime or homicide statistics drawn from the era of the assault weapon ban can’t prove that the ban was ineffective; because assault rifles have never been a primary choice of weapon for murders or other criminals. One wouldn’t expect that a ban on weapons that criminals rarely use would reduce crime in any significant way to begin with. The ban itself wasn’t designed to reduce “crime” or murders, it was designed to prevent the sale of assault rifles and attacks committed with assault rifles. The ban did in fact reduce sales and attacks. Furthermore we saw a dramatic increase in assault rifle sales, AND attacks committed with assault rifles after Republicans let the ban expire.

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