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WASHINGTON — More than anything else, one thing came up again and again and again in Wednesday’s debate between Sen. Al Franken and his Republican challenger Mike McFadden: a number. Ninety-seven.
As in 97 percent, the amount of time studies show Franken has voted with President Obama during his tenure in the U.S. Senate. In the first head-to-head contest of Minnesota’s U.S. Senate campaign, McFadden’s strategy was to incessantly tie Franken to the increasingly unpopular Obama and draw attention to what he considers the incumbent’s partisan voting record.
Franken and McFadden didn’t break too much ground with regard to their policy positions, and in fact McFadden barely discussed the proposals he’s introduced so far this campaign. More than anything else, we got a hearty dose of the talking points we’ve heard many times before.
Primarily “97 percent,” a figure McFadden has based much of his campaign on at this point. During the debate, he said he’d be a more independent senator than Franken. When Franken argued that one of the metrics McFadden used to determine partisanship — the number of bipartisan bills he’s co-sponsored — is flawed because it gave conservative Sen. Ted Cruz a higher score, McFadden turned it around and called him “the Ted Cruz of the Democratic Party.”
Franken responded by listing a litany of items on which he’s sided with Republicans during his tenure in the U.S. Senate: workforce training, pharmaceutical safety, the farm bill, a veteran’s bill, and so on.
“In an era where there’s been a lot of gridlock, I’ve worked across party lines to find common sense solutions to things,” he said.
Mining and energy policies
On the actual issues, the candidates didn’t offer much new information. The debate’s early topics included a few right in McFadden’s wheelhouse, such as mining and energy. He argued more should be done to speed up the permitting process for mining and oil pipeline projects.
“We have the opportunity to be energy independent, which is historical, and a game changer,” he said. “And what energy independence allows me to do for you is put more money in your pocket.”
On the proposed PolyMet copper-nickel mine just an hour or so up the road from Duluth, Franken said he supports the mine, but that he wants to go through a permitting process — now nearly nine years in the making — that “gets it right” and protects the area’s environment. But McFadden said such a lengthy permitting process is “the definition of unreasonable, that’s not acceptable.”
“We have to demand that this process be efficient, we need effective government, I will fight for effective government,” he said.
Beyond that, McFadden spent more time trying to drag down Franken than prop himself up. On any number of issues, he swung at Franken’s record but didn’t bother highlighting any of his own proposals.
Take the Affordable Care Act. He called it a policy “based on lies,” arguing that it ended insurance policies, cut doctor availability and won’t lower costs as promised. He blamed Franken for casting the deciding vote on the bill, but except for a passing mention, he didn’t talk at all about the Obamacare replacement plan he introduced last week.
(For his part, Franken defended the law and its success at insuring more Minnesotans. He said the political reality is such it doesn’t matter what McFadden’s plan is, that, “if they repeal this, it goes back to square one. It goes back to a divided Congress and all of this goes away.”)
Education came up several times in the debate, and McFadden went hard at Minnesota’s poor record educating minority groups. He said he wants to “radically change the system for inner-city schools,” but didn’t say how (he supports a big expansion of funding for charter schools).
McFadden hammered Franken for not doing more to stop terror recruitment in Minnesota, but didn’t say what he’d do differently. To pay for more federal infrastructure spending, Franken proposed ending tax cuts for oil companies and cutting spending on the U.S. nuclear arsenal, but McFadden made only a vague reference to finding more money through tax reform.
On the general subject of improving the economy, Franken highlighted his work in the Senate on policies like job training, student loan refinancing and his support for a higher minimum wage and equal pay requirements for women.
McFadden plugged his support for energy and mining again, then managed to steer that discussion, like so many others, to Franken’s voting record, and “97 percent.” To which Franken responded:
“What was that number, 97?” he said, wryly. “Let me write that down, or I’ll forget it.”
Devin Henry can be reached at dhenry@minnpost.com. Follow him on Twitter: @dhenry
McFadden has ideas
Like Alice in Wonderland!
“His head is filled with ideas,
but he doesn’t quite know what they are!”
____
Gotta love it when Senator Franken hits it into the stands.
McFadden’s ideas
As Bob Dylan might have put it:
He’s got a head full of ideas
That are driving him insane.
Only reason a Republican senator’s percentage might seem less partisan is that cloture votes are so rare, i.e., when you block most legislation from coming to a vote and only let through the stuff that most can agree on, you can look more reasonable than you are. Mike McFadden would not be any different.
This is, like most from McFadden, an idiotic premise for ads and campaign issues.
Republicans can campaign against President Obama all they like, but about the only reason this administration is unpopular at the moment is that they have been undermined at every turn by an anything but loyal opposition (Mitch McConnell’s “make Obama a one-term president, gridlock in Congress, etc., etc.).
Save the world: Vote Democratic. Give Republicans power and you get wars and recession or worse, so just don’t do it.
Out of the Park.
Looking backward is what the challenger is doing when he cites the length of time the Polymet mine has taken.
A sense of history is important.
Where are the magic ideas?
The medical plan we have now – is the REPUBLICANIZ-ed version.
If Polymet
“HAS to say that they agree with the careful process” –
should we then believe that Mr McF is telling us that they are lying to us?
McF looking pleased with himself & a little surprised that he did not get a standing ovation for a quip that went flat: comparing Senator Franken to Ted Cruz, explains the awkward nature of his ads.
The Republican and McFadden permit approval process
for Polymet
Does it make a lot of money for a bunch of people?
Yes?
APPROVED!
I’m leery about the mining – but it will go through
My point was that McFadden was telling us:
That he believed Polymet lied when their said they were fine with the careful process.
I don’t need to extrapolate very far to see that he seems to have concluded this.
And apparently the supposed lie, IF they did, is fine with him. That concerns me.
PolyMet
All of the relevant federal agencies have given their approval to this project. There is nothing more Congress can do to move it along (thank God!).
Mike the Miner’s harping on this issue can mean only one of two things:
He is counting on voters being fooled by his bluster; or
He doesn’t know this himself. If this is true, does that make him one of those “ill informed, low-information voters” whose access to the suffrage certain types around here think should be restricted?
The new Steve Forbes
McFadden is making the ’97 percent’ his cornerstone issue much like Steve Forbes did in 2000 that a flat tax would solve all of our country’s problems. Talk about the issues not some debatable statistic.
I believe that McFadden
has in fact proposed a flat tax.
Taxes
Well, that’ll fall flat…
On a superficial cosmetic level …
the first MN Senatorial debate heard via Minnesota Public Radio’s audio feed, Senator Franken (who I strongly support) sounded less animated and sometimes slow on the uptake compared to Mr. McFadden.
We should probably score it on content
The presentation on radio may come across muted,
as would be the norm on MPR.
That harkens back to Jesse Ventura’s debate. I went for that animated guy that time.
Jesse, however, was entertaining, and it filled some of the gaps where he was light on policy.
Mr McFadden is not [entertaining] though he is light on policy & still hasn’t told us much of “The Plan.”
On camera, it appeared that the senator was in collected command.
He explained his record & positions. We know he can be entertaining too.
I would like to see more flashes of humor from Senator Franken, but the job is serious.
Conversely, you might want to see the look on Mr McF’s face when he thought he
was being clever in the “Ted Cruz” comeback that fell flat.
Addendum:
Animated & jittery, though not entertaining is what I found Mr McFadden.
McF failed to answer why he ran away from speaking about Syria when asked over & over as a candidate. He failed to answer on the podium once again, despite trying to paint foreign policy onto Senator Franken!
I liked Senator Franken before & I like him more now.
No thanks on the new guy. Mike’s no Norm & he sure ain’t Jesse.
Of Course Mr. McFadden Can’t Do Anything but Attack Franken
Because, as is the case with MOST Republican candidates, he can’t possible spell out the “Republican Agenda” or average citizens would ever vote for him:
If elected, he would do everything his his power to make sure people such as himself got a good deal richer,…
the middle class fell farther into poverty,…
and if people got ripped off, got injured by shoddy products or lost their homes, their livelihoods, and/or their retirement funds it wouldn’t matter to him in the least,…
as long as someone like him got richer in the process.
Franken, on the other hand, is dedicated to making sure that everyone gets a fair chance to use their gifts and talents in productive work,…
and those currently without the physical, psychological, or spiritual means to do so, gain those means, and, if that’s impossible to accomplish (which it is in far too many cases) still have enough resources to survive.
Played out just as I thought it would. I think things are going to be just fine.
Translation
“I’m glad I moved to South Carolina because McFadden doesn’t stand a chance.”
Unfortunately, Mr. Swift
your prognostications on political events here in Minnesota – especially election results – have been wrong most of the time. Same sex marriage and voter ID constitutional amendments, senatorial and gubernatorial races, the list goes on.
In fact one can do a pretty good job at predicting election results in Minnesota by choosing the side opposite the one you support.
Perhaps the fact that you live – and vote – in South Carolina has something to do with that? Your views are not reflective of the majority of Minnesotans as the coming election will demonstrate once again.
And that will certainly please President Romney.
Listening to the radio re-broadcast now. A few comments:
1) the gulf in the candidates’ demeanor, as remarked, is striking. Sen. Franken seemed in his first race, against Norm Coleman, to be a reluctant campaigner, and it reads that way in today’s debate. He would much rather be deep into policy work, to his credit. But if you’re running for office you owe it to the public to campaign as if you want the job.
McFadden sounds borderline unhinged in his voice as he makes his emphatic points about how he’ll create jobs and sweep regulations out of the way. The Cruz comment and several others, not to mention the 97% theme, sound tone deaf from someone as substance-free as he.
2) the argument that the economic rebound hasn’t been as strong or quick as most everybody would have liked is valid, and the party in office usually has to answer this. But the “are you better off?” question from McFadden wouldn’t work in his favor. Additionally, how many voters will remember his party actively attempted to damage the economy and it’s recovery, and not just with the brinkmanship over debt ceiling?
McFadden complained that Obama removed troops from
Iraq too soon.
I was surprised that Franken didn’t set him straight, that that was based on George Bush’s time line. The reason Obama couldn’t leave anyone there at the end was because Iraq wouldn’t agree to guarantee our troops wouldn’t be charged with crimes while serving there.
Is anyone aware of any polling info on them?
Fuzzy Math
Just because most all Republicans go into an anti-Obama frenzy at the mention of the man’s name, he still won his last election in MN in 2012 by almost 8 points. And while Obama’s popularity has declined, I’m betting those voters still give him the benefit of the doubt. Making the centerpiece of your campaign: “If you dislike Obama, you’ll like me” is a great way to get to 45%. Mike: You need to get over 50%. This is not a great start for the guy in the race who is supposed to be good with numbers.
If “If you dislike _____, you’ll like me” is such a bad idea, why is it every Democratic candidate made Bush derangement syndrome the centerpiece of their campaigns in 2008…and still do today?
Obama is at 36% approval in Minnesota, which is no doubt the total hardcore leftist population of Minneapolis and St. Paul. I think most people are just sick of him.
Mr. Swift really doesn’t get it …
If Obama’s popularity is so low that tying – or trying to tie – Franken/Dayton to him is such a great strategy, why is it that both Franken and Dayton have double digit leads over their opponents?
I guess it really is true that facts have a liberal bias.
See you at the Minnesota ballot box in November, Mr. Swift?
Guess not.
Nah…
most people are sick of the dreck that has been tossed at him, which has been the well documented plan by what passes for the GOP all along….you should be proud. Of course, it’s turned the thinking person’s perception of the party into the equivalent of the crazy, grizzled guy living in the run down property at the end of the road who yells at kids and points guns out the window at whoever rings the doorbell, but that’s the price you’ve paid.
Do you ever wonder where voter apathy comes from? It just might be meaningless political debates. Everyone sets up their debate boundaries of what they will and won’t talk about, stale talking points are the majority of the debate, the front runner tries not to make any gaffes, the other guy tries to look like he has a great plan but can’t figure out how to let anyone know what it is. Voters, in the end, stick with the known quantity because the other guy scares the heck out of them.
There is nothing meaningless this year.
Too apathetic to vote
There is a chance some important things are going to be undone.
What people have gained or retained the past hard years, may evaporate.
That is not hyperbole.
This is not a year to sit on hands
Who has made this a tougher recovery by their actions, if not the guys that are only too willing to screw up OUR intervening years, just for political advantage?
The early debates surely ought to be about the facts, not fabricated hype.
A tough hurdle for any challenger
There is a reason for the public to be apprehensive about the new guy who can’t even tell you
what makes him the EQUIVALENT of the incumbent, let alone sell you that he might be better.
The incumbent senator has a good record. I don’t see anything riveting about the challenger.
The challenger’s had a long time now to make a case & even the potshots he’s taking have been feeble.
It is a fickle public who helps make this a carnival game.
And a media machine that needs a horse race, even if they have to prop up the trailer.
I only heard a little bit but…
What I heard was McFadden claiming that he’d get into the inner cities and fix the education system. Well, someone should tell McFadden that he’s running for a US Senate seat and the Fed’s don’t run local education systems. If THAT’S his agenda he should move to MPLS or St. Paul and run for school board or mayor. The US senate is about as far away as you can get from being able to run local school systems.
While they’re at it, someone should tell McFadden that MN actually voted for Obama in the last election. Obama is NOT an unpopular president in this state. Franken seems to know that and hence doesn’t bother to respond seriously to McFadden’s attacks on his Obama voting record.
In fact it looks like someone needs to be around on a regular basis to explain basic things to McFadden. What was the point of complaining about not having debates when 3 debates are actually scheduled? McFadden spent a million bucks on an ad that was obsolete, is that his idea of “fiscal responsibility?”
Why is it called a debate???
I don’t know why they called it a debate. All McFadden did was make accusations and didn’t say anything of substance. The only thing he has tried to do is address Obamacare, but as a person who has dealt with health insurance issues since 1995, it is quite clear to me that McFadden knows less about health insurance than Obama. I can’t imagine that anyone would vote for a person whose is claiming that stupidly removing his kids stitches and coaching a group of ten year olds qualifies him for the Senate. This is one Republican who is going to vote for Franken, at least now he has 6 years of experience.
Debate videos and transcripts
For readers who missed the debate or only caught a portion, you can find on-demand videos and transcripts at theuptake.org.
As for education issues
The last governor was responsible for how many years? Oh, eight years and our educational system is in need of fixing, especially for minorities. Along with that, there needs to be good paying jobs for minorities. Jobs that pay substantially more than minimum wage. And training that doesn’t cost more than they can pay for. And the winner is Franken. And Dayton too of course.