Nolan and Mills tangle in Duluth debate

MinnPost photo by Devin Henry
Tuesday's debate was the only one so far scheduled between the 8th District candidates.

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Comments (22)

  1. Submitted by Thomas Swift on 10/07/2014 - 01:51 pm.

    I hope his staff informs Nolan the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with duck hunting before he embarrasses himself again.

    • Submitted by Bill Gleason on 10/07/2014 - 02:59 pm.

      Where is your sense of humor, Mr. Swift?

      Congressman Nolan was just kidding Mr. Mills. He said that he didn’t need an AK-47 to go duck hunting, but suggested that Mr. Mills might.

  2. Submitted by Liane Gale on 10/07/2014 - 02:30 pm.

    Where is Sandman?

    In both of his articles about this debate, Devin Henry ignored Green Party candidate Ray Skip Sandman. From a reputable source such as “Minnpost” shouldn’t one be able to expect objective and unbiased reporting?

  3. Submitted by Elanne Palcich on 10/07/2014 - 07:17 pm.

    Sandman

    I can’t believe that Sandman was not mentioned in this article. Even the Duluth news station covered him. This lack of mention is a great disservice to the citizens of the 8th district. By ignoring the validity of 3rd party candidates and their positions, the media keeps us locked in two dimensional politics, with no hope of new, innovative solutions, and no way to change political rhetoric and game-playing.

    • Submitted by E Gamauf on 10/08/2014 - 06:11 am.

      Sandman was interesting

      Greens don’t get the same level of respect as other parties.
      When they do not get to be heard, it reinforces the “kook” label.

      I didn’t see the entire debate, scrubbing through some of the video.
      What I did see of Sandman was worth a listen, same as Mz Nicollet in the gubernatorial debate.

  4. Submitted by Joe Musich on 10/07/2014 - 10:10 pm.

    Yep !

    Sandman and Nolan should have been covered and Mills ignored! Abd again I ask is there a Fleet Farm on the range?

  5. Submitted by Michael Cavlan on 10/07/2014 - 11:50 pm.

    Sandman And Minn Post

    Skip Sandman is the only real credible candidate who has not been bought out in this Congressional race. the fact that Minn Post does it’s very best to pretend he was not there does nothing but discredit Minn Post even further. Or could it just Minn post is showing its political and racial bigotry? Could it be that Minn Post just doesn’t believe than an Ndn just can’t do as well as their white man favorite, Rick Nolan?

    Minn post is just a tired DFL establishment hack media. They have the same credibility as FOX News or MSNBC.

    Skip may win this race. there are factors that a tired sold out DFL corporatist hack like the writer of this article may not have even considered. Rock on Skip. Thank you for giving some of us hope. Not the Wall Street funded Madison ave inspired Hopey-Changey of Obama and company but REAL HOPE for REAL CHANGE

  6. Submitted by beryl john-knudson on 10/08/2014 - 07:22 am.

    …and then again,

    with Sandman so inefficiently covered by the reporter for whatever reasons, it only agitates the reader to know more of his progressive ideas. May he be heard more often as the result of this bad, bad coverage when we so desperately need a third candidate when one is barely functioning or credible with such naive positions?

    And as that old philosopher John Stewart Mill once said…”Although not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative”

    We need a third voice to give the people two viable candidates and Sandman deserves fair coverage

    • Submitted by jody rooney on 10/08/2014 - 10:04 am.

      That would be John Stuart Mills …..

      I like the quote. Actually that John Stuart Mills was brilliant and could change his mind.

      I cringe every time I read Stewart Mills and think of what a poor name sake he would be for the original John Stuart Mills.

  7. Submitted by Thomas Swift on 10/08/2014 - 09:25 am.

    All you lefties bemoaning the shunning of Skip Sandman forget that Minnpost is a de jure arm of the Democratic party. The Green Party is poison to the DFL in the same way the IP has been to the GOP. Mark Dayton would be tending daisies today if Tom Horner hadn’t been on the ballot, which is why he’s encouraging the continued inclusion of Hannah Nicollet.

    Sandman is a potential liability to Nolan’s re-election, and no blue-blooded media source is going to give him an inch of traction.

    • Submitted by Richard Schulze on 10/08/2014 - 08:43 pm.

      Conservatives rarely take responsibility for their losses.

      Had Mr. Emmer learned to tone down his rhetoric (as he’s currently doing in the 6th District race) he might have been governor.

      • Submitted by Frank Phelan on 10/09/2014 - 07:44 am.

        I’m Still Looking

        For one of those $100K per year bartender gigs Emmer talked about. I suppose Dayton chased all of those jobs to So Dak too.

      • Submitted by RB Holbrook on 10/09/2014 - 09:05 am.

        Rarely?

        That implies that it has happened. When? It’s always the fault of the liberal media, voter fraud, or the Trilateral Commission. Never has it been the fault of an unpopular message or a bad candidate (remember the finger pointing in 1990, when the Boschwitz team blamed the Grunseth campaign, who blamed the Boschwitz team?).

    • Submitted by Frank Phelan on 10/09/2014 - 07:45 am.

      Mais Monsieur Swift

      Why do you always bring up the Horner/Dayton connection but never the Peter Hutchenson/Pawlenty connection?

  8. Submitted by Amy Farland on 10/08/2014 - 10:45 am.

    How many people debated?

    It would seem to be basic journalism for the headline to correctly identify who debated. sigh.

  9. Submitted by Tim Brausen on 10/08/2014 - 02:53 pm.

    Introduction to Journalism 101

    I too am disappointed in MinnPost’s limited reporting in failing to give us “who, what, why, where and how” on this debate. In a democracy, all candidates deserve coverage, so that we can make informed decisions as voters.

    Mr. Henry’s article gives additional credence to Eric Black’s assertions, in his MinnPost story recently on why the 2 major parties dominate the political system, that lack of media coverage plays into this dominance. Sadly, MinnPost is an example of this media bias.

    Possibly the Kramers could introduce Mr. Black to Mr. Henry, and they could all agree that MinnPost owes it to its readers to cover the full spectrum of political thought?

  10. Submitted by Bill Coleman on 10/08/2014 - 03:31 pm.

    As to what is in this article as opposed to what is not…

    I am curious how the NRA grades candidates. Do they give only A’s and F’s? I wonder what gives you an F? – supporting the need for background checks? Or closing the any background check loopholes around private sale of guns? Or placing any restrictions on clip size?

    For the 2nd amendment people out there, I also wonder if there is any limitation on arms that you would support. Should individuals own rocket propelled grenades or rockets capable of downing helicopters? Since Mr Swift confirms that the 2nd amendment is not about duck hunting, but is for personal and community protection against criminals and tyrannical government, it seems that this crowd would want to be armed more similarly to ISIS than Elmer Fudd.

    I wonder if any individuals owned cannons in pre- or post revolutionary days?

    An article exploring all of these candidate grading systems would be very interesting – from the NRA to the NEA.

  11. Submitted by jason myron on 10/08/2014 - 05:38 pm.

    Sorry to be a wet blanket

    but Sandman has about 6% of the vote. There’s more of a chance that everyone commenting will be struck by lightning while being eaten by a shark than he has of even being competitive, much less win it. We’re weeks away from an important election and with all due respect to Mr. Sandman as a person, his candidacy is irrelevant at this point.

  12. Submitted by Karen Sandness on 10/10/2014 - 01:30 pm.

    The lack of coverage of Skip Sandman does not surprise me

    I cannot vote in that particular race, since I live in Minneapolis, but I have some thoughts about third parties.

    Unlike countries where they assassinate or “disappear” political figures who rock the boat, the U.S. media ignore or ridicule candidates who are not standard-issue D’s or R’s.

    I first noticed this when I worked on the campaign of Dennis Kucinich for the Democratic nomination in 2004. We had to beg local media for coverage of his appearances, even though he was drawing larger crowds on each visit and ended up with 17% of the caucus vote in Minnesota.

    Since then, I have noticed that this is standard treatment for non-Establishment candidates, whether in state or national races. If they are mentioned in the mainstream media at all, it is to ridicule them. Their own parties undermine and disrespect them.

    “He can’t win” is not a valid argument for not covering a candidate. Perhaps if a candidate runs enough times, either he or his ideas can make it into the mainstream. Perhaps the candidate’s showing can point to vital concerns that the major parties are ignoring. Greens have won local races, especially on the West Coast. (That being said, I’m not crazy about the local Green Party, which seems to contain some very un-green people.)

    There was a legislative district in the suburbs of Portland that was considered to be so thoroughly Republican that the Democrats didn’t even bother to field a candidate. I knew people who lived there who were not Republicans, and they were frustrated with the state Democrats for not giving them anyone to vote for. Into the vacuum came a Socialist (a real one, a member of the Socialist Party, USA). He ran in the district and took 20% of the vote. The Democrats sat up and realized that maybe their notion of that district being solidly Republican was out of date, so they ran a candidate. They lost that time, and they lost the next time, although by a narrower margin. The third time, their candidate won. But it took a Socialist to shake them out of their misconception.

    Whenever I meet a person who proclaims that he or she will not vote because neither the D nor the R candidate is worthy, I urge that person to vote third party. The reason is that even though turnout in the U.S. is low, whichever party receives the votes of the voting minority claims a landslide and a mandate. Non-voters, whether they abstain out of laziness or out of principle, literally do not count at all. Voting third party is a way to protest against the low quality of candidates that the D’s and R’s have presented and the only way to have that protest count.

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