Those annoying disparities in the delegate counts

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton
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While campaigning in Maryland, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton tours the assembly line at a GM plant in White Marsh along with Sen. Barbara Mikulski and Maryland Lt. Gov. Anthony Brown.

After sweeping three caucuses and one primary over the weekend, Barack Obama has pulled into a minuscule lead in the overall delegate race – even counting the superdelegates, according to the count maintained by the estimable Real Clear Politics.

Other delegate counters don’t agree. The New York Times, which has the most cautious delegate-counting system, has Hillary Rodham Clinton still leading, even without her superiority among the superdelegates. The Associated Press and CNN, to mention two more, have Clinton clinging to a slight lead in the overall count, but show Obama well-ahead among the un-super delegates – those who are deemed to be pledged to a candidate based directly on primary and caucus results.

Here are the tallies, as of Tuesday morning:

Real Clear Politics: Obama 1,144; Clinton 1,138

AP: Clinton 1,147; Obama 1,124

CNN: Clinton 1,148; Obama 1,121

New York Times: Clinton 1,043; Obama 921. (The Times, by the way, recognizing that their method puts them further out of synch with the others, also displays an updated AP count alongside their own.)

Everyone shows Obama gaining ground recently, and Obama is expected to sweep the today’s primaries in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia. This could put him ahead on more of the scorecards, although not necessarily the Times’.

The Clinton campaign is unofficially conceding as much, trying to lower expectations and direct our attention to March 4, when Clintonites hope to make up some lost ground by winning in Texas and Ohio (respectively the third- and sixth-biggest states in Democratic delegate totals).

Different rules in each state
The wobbliness of the delegate counts is maddening. It’s now clear that the nomination will come down to a state-by-state and superdelegate-by-superdelegate slog. So it would be nice to at least have a count on which we could rely, but we don’t.

Several reasons for that. On the Dem side, every state has a different set of rules for awarding delegates, but as a nationwide party rule, none of the Dem contests are winner-take-all (which would make the scorekeeping easier). Each state has delegate positions divided between the statewide showing of the candidates in the primary or caucus, the congressional-district-by-district showing, and the superdelegates.

Superdelegates, for the uninitiated, are a group of 796 Democratic office holders (like governors and members of Congress), party officials (like state party chairs and co-chairs and Democratic National Committee members) and distinguished party figures (in Minnesota, this is Walter Mondale) who are automatically given delegate positions and who can support any presidential they choose, on any basis they choose, at any time they choose.

There are 4,090 total Dem delegates, so the supers amount to just under 20 percent. If things come down to a contested ballot at the Dem convention (Aug. 25-28 in Denver), the superdelegates will almost certainly be a large enough bloc to swing the balance, which is starting to cause some angry talk. (Donna Brazile, a prominent Dem strategist and herself a superdelegate, said at one point that she would “quit the party” if the superdelegates decide the nomination. She has since downgraded her threat, saying that it applies only if the superdelegates decide the race without waiting for the primaries and caucuses to be completed. The blogosphere is buzzing with talk arguments about whether it will be a raw deal, or an undemocratic one, if the superdelegates decide the race. Feel free to weigh in in the comment thread.)

Dem National Chair Howard Dean, in case you missed, said a few days ago that it would be bad for everyone if the race drags on until the August convention, so if there isn’t a clear winner by April or May, there may have to be some kind of “arrangement” worked out, whatever the heck that means, but it sounds kinda creepy.

The various media organizations scoring the race are themselves canvassing the superdelegates to find out if they have decided whom to support (and remember, they are allowed to change their minds). As of Tuesday morning, all of the scoresheets I’m following showed Clinton leading among superdelegates, by the following amounts:

NYT: 204-99.

CNN: 224-135.

Real Clear Politics: 213-140.

Minnesota’s superdelegates
That still leaves more than 400 supers uncommitted. Minnesota’s most prominent uncommitted “super,” Sen. Amy Klobuchar, was quoted in the Times’ Sunday superdelegate story thusly:

“I will not go through the summer, I can tell you that, without endorsing a candidate…I am not a big believer in smoke-filled rooms.”

The unsuper delegate apportionments are also not so easy to figure out, which is another reason the scoresheets don’t match up.

The Times differs the most from the others because it won’t count delegates until it considers them bound to a candidate. In many caucus states, the results of the precinct caucuses only start a process of delegate selection that doesn’t culminate until the state convention months later. In Iowa, for example, the results released on caucus night are only estimates of how the delegate count will turn out after the local delegates choose the county delegates who choose the state delegates, or some combination along those lines.

The Times figures nothing is for certain until the state conventions, which is true. So it lists most caucus states as having chosen no delegates yet. This has a certain logical purity, by also results in significantly undercounting Obama’s standing, since he has won almost every caucus state so far.

Faced with similar circumstances, Real Clear Politics goes with the estimates issued by the state party, which is one reason that their score sheet is so much more favorable to Obama.

In the case of Minnesota, the Times has a mixed attitude. Minnesota has 88 delegates, of whom 16 are “supers,” and 72 are – what? – mortal? Not susceptible to Kryptonite? Anyway, the 72 are pledged delegates who presidential preference is based on the result of the binding Feb. 5 ballot taken at the beginning of the Democratic caucuses.

But only 25 of them will be apportioned based on the statewide vote. The other 47 are based on the vote congressional district by congressional district. The Times felt sure enough to count those 25, based on the vote, as breaking down 17-8 for Obama (who won the statewide vote by 66-32 percent).

Real Clear and CNN are counting all 72 pledged Minnesota delegates, by 48-24 in favor of Obama.

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Eric Black, a former reporter for the Star Tribune, writes about national and state politics, foreign affairs and other topics. He can be reached at eblack [at] minnpost [dot] com.

Comments (5)

  1. Submitted by Gary Peterson on 02/12/2008 - 12:37 pm.

    Certainly, it is a bit of a mess.

    There “should” be continuing transparency in the process of delegate commitments for the presidential nominee. Superdelegates are relatively anonymous to the public, and — since they can change their minds seven ways from Sunday until they vote at the convention — are accountable to no one. The DFL and the DNC should maintain website lists, and issue daily updates, of the names of all superdelegates and the status of their commitments or non-commitments; that is, assuming even the party organizations keep track.

    You note that Minnesota has 16 superdelegates. I know only of 14:
    1. Brian Melendez, state party chair
    2. Donna Cassutt, state party vice chair
    3. Walter Mondale
    4. Amy Klobuchar
    5. Tim Walz
    6. Betty McCollum
    7. Keith Ellison
    8. Collin Peterson
    9. Jim Oberstar
    10. Kenneth Foxworth, Democratic Nat’l Committee member
    11. Nancy Larson, Democratic Nat’l Committee member
    12. Mee Moua, Democratic Nat’l Committee member
    13. Rick Stafford, Democratic Nat’l Committee member
    14. Jackie Stevenson, Democratic Nat’l Committee member

    Complicating the delegate counts even further is the (kind-of-hard-to-believe) fact that even pledged delegates are able to change their minds about whom to support.

    In 1972, the US Supreme Court ruled that political parties have the right to set their own rules and procedures, and are not subject to intervention by the courts.

  2. Submitted by Paul Brandon on 02/12/2008 - 01:26 pm.

    Yes, democracy is messy (even when it’s a republic ;-).
    The whole point of choosing delegates is to choose people who you trust to make a decision for you. That’s why the Founders set up the Electoral College. Caucuses are in the same tradition.
    A primary would be closer to a ‘true’ democracy, where individuals cast votes directly for candidates rather than for delegates.

    On the issue of transparency:
    do you really think that the superdelegates (half of whom are or have been elected officials) are less well known to most people than the delegates chosen at caucuses?

    And one of the points of having political parties independent of government control is that it prevents the formation of ‘official’ parties, as in supposed democracies like Russia, Pakistan and Iran.

    To paraphrase Churchill, the only good thing that can be said for our democratic system is that it’s better than anything else that has been tried.

  3. Anonymous Submitted by Anonymous on 02/12/2008 - 09:09 pm.

    Eric, If you are getting your news from news networks, you should go to the fair and balanced network, Fox. It is the most trusted news network based on recent surveys and it might even broaden your mind.

  4. Submitted by Beryl John-Knudson on 02/13/2008 - 07:11 am.

    Candidate by committee…’they’, not you, can make a differance!

    You go to Super Tuesday with a certain democratic fire-in-the-belly believing that every citizen’s ballot counts. You make your choice – dip your index finger in the inkwell so to speak. Raise your stained finger with a sense of voter participation. Then realize, it is only invisible ink.

    One could say, the Super Delegate process – candidate by committee – may suck the soul out of Super Tuesday?

    And mum’s the word, perish the thought…I won’t call it a latent or softer, gentler form of Fascism. But “Super Delegate” as overiding power embedded in future party outcomes, sounds like a real spoiler to me.

  5. Submitted by Eric Black on 02/13/2008 - 10:52 am.

    Couple of quick replies. To Gary: There are two more “unpledged” delegates that the DNC awarded to Minn, who will be elected by the delegates to the state convention. Maybe I shouldn’t call them superdelegates in the same sense as the others. Obviously, if the race is still tight, the state convention delegates may elected the two “add-on” delegates based on their presidential preference, but they will be technically unpledged.

    To Al: I looked on the Fox site. I did not see an independent Fox tally of delegates. If you discover that there is one, let me know and I’ll keep an eye on it.

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