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In confrontation with Trump, maybe Mayor Frey is just putting Minneapolis First

Minneapolis First! Make Minneapolis Great Again!

One thing I like about Mayor Jacob Frey’s stance on the city paying a huge bill for extra police work in connection with Donald Trump’s use of the city-owned Target Center is that it is hilariously Trumpy in its way.

Trump thinks Americans are suckers when they do things or pay for things that benefit non-Americans, like our disproportionate contributions to defend the world, including substantial part of said world that are not in America. For example, he rails constantly at NATO allies to pay more so we can pay less. I’m not even opposed to that Trumpian attitude, especially where some of the beneficiaries are rich enough countries.

But guess what? Minneapolis is chock full of taxpayers who are not Trump supporters. And, if one were to hazard a guess based on where Trump received his Minnesota support in the 2016 election, most of those making up his adoring crowd will not be Minneapolitans. Those suburbanites and rural Minnesotans should surely not want to have their love-fest, hate-fest or whatever-fest be a burden on the hard-working taxpayers of Minneapolis.


Surely, there is some small analogy here between Frey’s desire to not to have Trump and his fans burden Minneapolitans who are not Trump fans pay extra for their love-hate-fest and Trump’s complaint that Americans should not have to subsidize NATO allies. I call that Trump logic.

Comments (52)

  1. Submitted by ian wade on 10/08/2019 - 05:50 pm.

    Since I’m not a Minneapolis resident, I really had no opinion of Frey other than he seems like a massive improvement over Betsy Hodges. That said, the way he has stood up to the Toddler in Chief has certainly made me a fan.

  2. Submitted by Dennis Wagner on 10/08/2019 - 06:35 pm.

    Eric, we agree 100%! Pay to play, Trump should be excessively happy where every American is in for themselves, just like him! Make me great again!

  3. Submitted by Dennis Tester on 10/08/2019 - 10:05 pm.

    A fair-minded person would expect the security expenses to be in the ballpark with those charged when Obama held his rally here … $26,000. Asking for $530,000 only reinforces the notion that the boy mayor is in the habit of spending 20 times what things actually cost. A fair-minded person would say that it’s probably just because it’s other people’s money and not because he hates Trump and his supporters.

    • Submitted by Dennis Wagner on 10/09/2019 - 09:07 am.

      Well DT, we do know that Trump is not a fair minded person and has to get the best of every deal, we wouldn’t want to lower him to “Obama” level now would we? So you should be proud of Frey as he tries to get the absolute perfect, best deal he can, after all its Minneapolis first, or doesn’t that level of Trump Nationalism apply?

    • Submitted by RB Holbrook on 10/09/2019 - 10:43 am.

      Obama held his rally in St. Paul. Did that city undercharge for its services?

      • Submitted by Dennis Tester on 10/09/2019 - 02:38 pm.

        Pioneer Press
        September 12, 2009

        “President Obama leaves Target Center rally ‘fired up and ready to go’ on health care reform”

        Spectators packed the Target Center for President Obama’s rally on health care reform.

        Before the 12:30 p.m. rally, lines snaked for several blocks through Minneapolis’ Warehouse District. Some camped overnight.

        Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan said officers made no arrests by midday, despite protesters on both sides of the health care issue.

        Dolan called in 50 officers on overtime and turned to neighboring police agencies and sheriff’s department to handle security for the event. He said he expects the department’s costs to top $20,000.

        • Submitted by Dennis Wagner on 10/10/2019 - 09:25 am.

          As other folks have already mentioned, many many times, He was a standing President, he was advocating for policy, it was not a campaign rally, suspect you are capable of understanding the difference, between the 2?

        • Submitted by Mark Snyder on 10/10/2019 - 10:40 am.

          Note the part about 50 cops were called in for the Obama event. There will be a LOT more than 50 cops present at today’s event. That’s the main difference in cost.

        • Submitted by RB Holbrook on 10/10/2019 - 12:21 pm.

          I stand corrected, and now I know where the $20,000 figure comes from.

          I’m guessing there weren’t as many protesters for Obama’s visit. He was a popular President.

    • Submitted by Paul Brandon on 10/09/2019 - 01:07 pm.

      Trump encourages violence at his rallies.
      Security costs are higher.
      Obama’s visit to St. Paul was in 2014, so it would not have been a campaign rally.
      http://www.startribune.com/president-obama-visits-st-paul/247311191/

    • Submitted by Joel Stegner on 10/09/2019 - 02:56 pm.

      Trump had unleashed conservative nutcases with gun. One should not underestimate the risk Trump is bring to the community. If I worked downtown, I would take the dah off,

    • Submitted by Elisa Wright on 10/09/2019 - 10:16 pm.

      The Obama campaign didn’t attract Antifa & the Oathkeepers, among others. El Paso is still trying to collect 570k from his rally.

    • Submitted by Dave Paulson on 10/13/2019 - 08:56 pm.

      Well. a fair-minded but (only) ignorant and incurious person would assume that: The toxic grifter who has attacked half his supposed constituency, publically makes fun of the weak and his opponents, and routinely lies to the whole nation about his lawbreaking and rule breaking, would actually have the same reaction – and therefore security risk – among the general population.

      Ergo the security cost would be about the same

  4. Submitted by Judi Ylvisaker on 10/09/2019 - 07:02 am.

    Given his record of non-payment, why did anyone expect him to pay for what he uses?

    • Submitted by Dennis Tester on 10/11/2019 - 06:59 am.

      The Federal Election Commission says campaigns are not required to pay for cities’ expenses associated with their events.

      • Submitted by Pat Terry on 10/11/2019 - 11:49 pm.

        What utter and complete nonsense. The FEC governs candidate finances. It has no say over whether someone can charge a campaign for services.

        Sounds like another excuse for failed businessman Trump to avoid paying his debts again.

  5. Submitted by Neal Rovick on 10/09/2019 - 07:42 am.

    I’ve heard a suggestion that perhaps we should provide our police (ahem, Trump fans) on a “pay when paid” basis. They get their pay when the campaign pays. It seems only fair considering the divide that has been deepened between the community they serve and the police union–thanks Mr. Kroll !

    I think it is a guarantee that there will never be a check issued to Minneapolis from the Trump campaign. Time for some action by this city council and any other city council across the country.

    Maybe return to the days when the rallies are held in an open field somewhere.

    • Submitted by Ray Schoch on 10/09/2019 - 09:16 am.

      “Pay when paid.” I love it!!

      Whether the figure is $500,000 or a mere $26,000, Trump’s history of non-payment – something that would have all of us commenting looking over our shoulders for arrest warrants – is well-documented. This would provide an excellent opportunity for Mr. Kroll to test the degree to which “Cops for Trump” (Lawbreaker-in-chief) is simply stupidly ironic or a genuine commitment.

  6. Submitted by Paul Udstrand on 10/09/2019 - 08:46 am.

    I think it’s possible that Frey is trying to fiscally responsible but I’m having a hard time getting behind this effort. Yes, it’s expensive, and yes someone has to pay for it… but I don’t think political/campaign rally’s are comparable to for profit events like the Super Bowl.

    If democracy is going to function voters need to be able to meet their candidates and assemble. I can imagine candidates that draw huge crowds but not huge donations. I can imagine candidates that can fill an arena but can’t afford half a million bucks for security.

    I think Frey’s solution here just compounds our Oligarchy problem by making it impossible for anyone but wealthy and well funded candidates to hold big rallies.

    I would look at setting up a federal fund that can pay these additional costs for qualifying candidates. How do you qualify? Well if you can fill an arena you qualify. We already set aside federal money for candidates, why not use it to pay for expenses like this?

    • Submitted by Paul Brandon on 10/09/2019 - 01:08 pm.

      Trump’s events are always for his profit.

      • Submitted by Paul Udstrand on 10/13/2019 - 09:17 am.

        Sure, but he’s still a legitimate candidate, and he IS the president. I think you damage the integrity of the system if you make special rules for particular politicians. It’s not like Trump is the first or the only politician using his office to make money. Remember when we had a bunch of oil executives in the White House?

        I agree, Trump is probably the worse in US history, but it’s not “good” or “OK” for any president to profiteer while in office.

        • Submitted by Dave Paulson on 10/13/2019 - 09:02 pm.

          Do you not think that trump is a special politician worthy of special – if only reactionary – rules?

          Would you care to compare how many rules he has broken, and the cost to America and all its citizens, while doing so?

          Is there such a thing as precedent-equivalent societal behavior (If I change the rules to cheat – you can change them to punish me)?

  7. Submitted by Connie Sullivan on 10/09/2019 - 03:33 pm.

    Jacob Frey’s Twitter response that probably most got Trump’s goat?

    When our Mayor answered Trump’s Tweet with “Yawn.”

    The suburbanites and rural Minnesotans (and Iowans and Wisconsinites) for Trump will be protected by a large contingent of apparently all-Trumpite Minneapolis cops. Who don’t live in Minneapolis. And who don’t pay the local taxes that pay for them to do expensive overtime to protect the Divider in Chief while he leads his followers in robotic chants of [still] “Lock Her Up!” and “Build the Wall!” and other anachronistic and atavistic yearnings.

    We need a president who at least recognizes that other people than him have lives and jobs to do. Pick a Democrat–any Democrat.

    • Submitted by Dave Paulson on 10/13/2019 - 09:06 pm.

      It used to be pick any 9 out of 10 Dems and 7 out of ten Republicans to get a leader who does not wake up thinking the whole system is for his sole and unbridled benefit.

      Now it has morphed – in 2 decades and to our horror: Pick 2 out of 10 Republicans and add them the your “any Democrat list” to save the democracy.

  8. Submitted by Dennis Barrett on 10/10/2019 - 09:33 am.

    Maybe the same standard needs to apply to Democratic presidential candidate rallies.

  9. Submitted by Connie Sullivan on 10/10/2019 - 12:49 pm.

    But they don’t bring the inherent violence to political rallies that Donald Trump does.

    Maybe the public should demand that Trump try to reach up to their higher standard, instead of everybody thinking that Trump’s gutter is the proper level for presidential campaign discourse?

    • Submitted by Brian Stalboerger on 10/11/2019 - 12:38 pm.

      Conservatives leave you alone when you have your rally. We don’t send people in to start fights. We don’t send Antifa to start breaking windows and starting fires as we see in other cities.
      If the Left would behave, you wouldn’t need so much security.
      Send the bill to Antifa, or whatever deep pockets send money their way.

      • Submitted by Dennis Wagner on 10/11/2019 - 07:08 pm.

        Guess that is kind of like when Bundy and gang took over the National Park in Oregon? Or perhaps those minutemen guys that went down to the border? Or maybe the dudes that came up here from Chicago to blow up the Mosque? Or were you talking about the guy that drove over and killed the lady in Charlottesville? Should we bring in all the abortion clinic bombings? Little deeper, how about the Vietnam era? Or perhaps the folks that got killed on the labor strike picket lines? We are all familiar with the doctrine of my hands are clean but yours aren’t.

      • Submitted by Pat Terry on 10/11/2019 - 11:56 pm.

        If you didn’t pander to an arena full of un-American cowards and traitors, you wouldn’t get real patriots to show up for what’s right. Send the bill to Trump.

      • Submitted by Paul Udstrand on 10/13/2019 - 09:25 am.

        If the only violence you see or worry about is anti-Fascist violence… you’re probably a Fascists. And yes, we will show up at your rallies because we already fought one war with Fascist and we’re not going to let you start another one.

  10. Submitted by joe smith on 10/10/2019 - 01:10 pm.

    The Target Center will be packed, Trump supporters will be wearing the red shirts Cops for Trump along with the cops to shove it in the face of the Mayor of Minneapolis. So sad that the Minneapolis mayor and many people on the Left want to shutdown free speech from our President. The rouse that security was going to be 1/2M+ is just another attempt to stop the rally. Trump has held dozens and dozens of these rallies starting in 2015 and I remember one instance when a protester got punched by a Trump supporter. So the false statement of violence at a Trump rally is again fake news. For Trump fans, sit back and enjoy the show. I’m sure our President will unload on all the misinformation surrounding this event.

  11. Submitted by joe smith on 10/11/2019 - 08:40 am.

    Another 20,000 happy Trump supporters have a fun night in the Target Center, no violence in arena, no call to violence by Trump and the only violence is outside by Leftist groups. I never see Democratic events with violent protests outside after the event by those 50-70 year TEA party hooligans. Interesting..?

    • Submitted by RB Holbrook on 10/11/2019 - 11:12 am.

      Maybe that’s because Democrats don’t base their campaign “fun” on taunts, insults, and demonizing other Americans.

    • Submitted by Brian Gandt on 10/11/2019 - 03:16 pm.

      Did Trump talk about how he has betrayed our allies in the fight against ISIS, the Kurds? What about the troop build up to protect the home of 15 of 19 9/11 terrorists? Fun indeed!

      • Submitted by joe smith on 10/11/2019 - 05:15 pm.

        Yep, he said we have spent enough time, money and blood in an area where folks have been at war for hundreds of years. It is time to leave and I agree. We should have never gone into that region with the stupid idea of nation building in the first place. Won’t happen,! I for one am glad we are getting out!
        Funny, all the libs were for withdrawal when Obama starting bringing troops home. What happened?

        • Submitted by Dennis Wagner on 10/11/2019 - 06:30 pm.

          So then why are we sending folks into Saudi Arabia?
          https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/11/trump-administration-will-send-more-troops-to-saudi-arabia.html
          Sorry Joe, some of us folks are just a little to cognizant and just cut through the BS and smoke screen crap right to the hypocrisy and lies. Didn’t you see that one coming at the Target center kiddie pep rally?

        • Submitted by Pat Terry on 10/11/2019 - 11:54 pm.

          Obama did it slowly and responsibly, and didn’t screw over our allies.

        • Submitted by Brian Gandt on 10/12/2019 - 02:31 am.

          I thought you’d never ask…

          I’m all for staying out of the ME. But, we need to pull out with some recognition of what we’ve done there, and screwing over one of the few groups that have been a local ally isn’t how we should be doing it.

          As Dennis noted our troop build up in SA…you don’t have an issue with that? You do know that the Saudis are part of the middle east, don’t you? That they supplied 15 of the 19 terrorists responsible for 9/11? They murdered a US resident and journalist, and Trump gave them a pass?

          Maybe you don’t care one bit about the Kurds. Maybe you’re fine with the Saudis. Just say so, your President certainly has made that clear.

        • Submitted by Brian Gandt on 10/12/2019 - 02:35 am.

          Forgot to mention: Much of the Obama withdrawal was set up by the Bush administration, and in no way whatsoever is comparable to how we’ve just abandoned the Kurd to the Turks.

          I do recall many right wingers forgetting who set that withdrawal up as Obama was executing it.

          • Submitted by RB Holbrook on 10/14/2019 - 12:43 pm.

            The crowd that claims it is so big on law and order also forgets that US troops were withdrawn because we had no legal basis for our continued presence there, because the Status of Forces agreement called for the withdrawal. There was no agreement to continue US presence there, so the US had no legal right to keep as many troops in Iraq.

    • Submitted by Pat Terry on 10/11/2019 - 11:57 pm.

      Because Democrats don’t engage in racist demagoguery. And don’t hold big rallies in the heart of Republican strongholds.

    • Submitted by Paul Udstrand on 10/13/2019 - 09:32 am.

      Maybe you didn’t see it but one of your guys murdered a woman with is car… that’s kind of violent don’t you think?

      The truth is that when you guys are confronted with non-violent protesters… you get violent. And of course, you blame your violence on your victims just as any psychopath does… “see… look what you made me do!”

  12. Submitted by Connie Sullivan on 10/11/2019 - 11:43 am.

    Actually, aside from the subtle violence of Trump’s name-calling schtick where he “Others” Muslims and Somalis and our Minneapolis Mayor and all Democrats and everyone who dares to differ with him, I thought Trump came across as listless. Tired. Not really interested.

    He goes up on stage and basically preens for people. “Look, Mom, aint’ I cute?” And all the older white women go oooh and aaah.

    Judging from this so-called rally, I don’t think Trump has the energy to continue being president, much less run a decent campaign. I mean, a LEGAL campaign.

    • Submitted by joe smith on 10/13/2019 - 08:30 am.

      Connie, listless? That rally was fun and filled with energy. If you want to see listless catch a Joe Biden rally in front of 2,000 people not 20,000 supports. To top off the listless parade watch Bernie try to muster up some energy after suffering a heart attack. Now those two are listless.

    • Submitted by Dave Paulson on 10/13/2019 - 09:13 pm.

      He is old, tired and fat.
      On the other hand he has 3 decades practice at this.

      He has a staff of hundreds, hundreds of government paid smarthats to feed him one liners (he can’t really remember most 2-liners) and thousand if not tens of thousands outside paid or naturally fermented sycophants who aid and abet him with 8th grade confrontational language to use.

      He is the most highly coached speaker in the world.
      And look at all he is capable of producing!

    • Submitted by Dennis Wagner on 10/15/2019 - 06:23 pm.

      There it is Connie, presidents aren’t about values, ethics, the country, good demeanor etc. its all about entertainment, remember what the Gladiator said, “are you not entertained?” ,

  13. Submitted by Dave Paulson on 10/13/2019 - 09:17 pm.

    also, notice how often he rambled off into incoherent corners and unprintable sentences? like Borat at the Nebraska rodeo, that the crowd had to pause and regroup about their “heartfelt” applause intensity.
    (Did the Conductor have a stroke again?)

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