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Nancy Nord Bence: 'We need to make suicide more difficult'

Rev. Nancy Nord Bence
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Rev. Nancy Nord Bence: "All over America, any parish pastor that has been doing this job for almost two decades will have this same issue with gun violence."

Rev. Nancy Nord Bence is passionate about reducing gun violence. So passionate that this February she left her role as pastor of the 2,000-member Peace Lutheran Church in Coon Rapids to become executive director of Protect Minnesota, an independent statewide organization that advocates for stronger gun laws and educates people about gun violence.

In her former role, Bence supported parishioners who’d lost family members to gun violence; she’d also watched — helplessly, she felt — as reports of firearm-fueled deaths dominated the news.

So when she felt a call to take on a job that had the potential to improve the lives of all Minnesotans, Bence moved to Protect Minnesota, stepping into the role formerly filled by longtime executive director Heather Martens.

“When I left the parish,” Bence said, “I thought I was getting into a less-busy job. But instead I just got into a lower-paying job that was even busier. Somehow, though, the move feels right. There’s so much good that can be done here.”

Although Protect Minnesota has been combating gun suicide for 25 years, they have recently begun developing new programs in this area. When I called Bence last week to learn more about her organization’s stance on this issue, she explained that 82 percent of gun deaths in Minnesota are suicide.

“There is not an aspect in our lives as Americans that is not touched and wounded by gun violence,” Bence told me. “We are all, in one way or another, survivors of gun violence.”

MinnPost: Protect Minnesota is a statewide gun violence prevention organization. Why are you also focusing on suicide prevention?

Nancy Nord Bence: Just this past week, we found out that suicide deaths in Minnesota are up this year by 6 percent. The largest rise in suicides was among men ages 25-34. Firearms continue to be the highest means of suicide in that age group. Eighty-two percent of gun deaths in Minnesota are suicide, which is a higher percentage than in other states.

MP: Why do you think suicide by gun is more common in Minnesota than it is in other states?

NNB: I think it has something do to with the availability of guns here. We have higher rates of suicide in suburban and rural areas and that’s where there are a lot of hunters. Rates of gun ownership are higher there.

MP: You left the ministry to take on this role. What makes you so passionate about this issue?

NNB: I am an ordained ELCA pastor. In my 18 years in the parish, I led two suburban white parishes, St. James in Crystal, and then Peace Lutheran in Coon Rapids. I also spent time as a hospital chaplain. During my time in the parish, I presided over six gun-violence deaths. Five of those deaths were suicide.

At my white suburban churches I dealt with that much gun violence. And I think that is not particularly unusual: All over America, any parish pastor that has been doing this job for almost two decades will have this same issue with gun violence.

If you are a pastor, supporting a family that is facing that kind of awful tragedy, you get a terrible firsthand view of heartache. It is impossible to forget. Families are torn apart by gun violence. It is a very different kind of pain when someone dies of cancer. Those types of death are also tragic, but they are a natural part of the human condition. When someone dies by gun suicide, part of the family also dies. 

I believe that many suicides by gun could be preventable if we could just get lawmakers to ignore the NRA and change laws.

MP: How does gun-violence prevention legislation help limit suicide by firearm?

NNB: We know that suicide is an impulsive act. Every step you can put between the moment when someone wants to kill themselves and when they can get their hands on a loaded gun, a suicide is less likely to happen.

We need to make suicide more difficult. Walking across a room, opening a safe, getting ammo, loading the gun, these are all steps along the way when a person can change their minds. And what if they have to go purchase a gun before a suicide? Even just having to go to Cabela’s and get a background check — that would force a person to interact with a licensed dealer, and slow them down. 

The gun lobby does not support universal background checks. They can say that white gun owners are hunters and they support the Second Amendment, that gun violence is an inner-city problem. This is a terrible lie. In reality, white people own much of the gun violence problem in this state because of suicide.

MP: Are there other methods of making gun purchases safer?

NNB: The state of New Hampshire has a wonderful program that we are hoping to recreate in Minnesota. In New Hampshire, public health groups have worked with licensed gun dealers to educate them about what to look for when they interact with a customer who says they, “only need one bullet,” or, “I need a gun right now.”  They have information on the counters in gun shops. 

They found that licensed dealers are open to being part of the solution. They don’t want the gun they sell to be used to blow off some kid’s head.

MP: But I thought that in most gun suicides, the firearm that was used was already in the home.

NNB: That’s true. The simple presence of a gun in a household raises the risk of suicide in that household significantly. In March 2016, for instance, The Trace reported on a Harvard study that found that the presence of a gun in a home means that anyone in that household has a 3 to 5 times higher risk of suicide than people who live in homes without guns.

MP: Does this count for homes with hunting rifles?

Rev. Nancy Nord Bence
Courtesy of Rev. Nancy Nord Bence
Rev. Nancy Nord Bence

NNB: Most hunters I know — some are my very closest friends — are really responsible with their guns and always lock them up unloaded. The biggest suicide risk comes from an increase in irresponsible gun storage, not amongst hunters, but amongst people who have been talked into the need for gun ownership by the gun lobby and they may not have learned responsible gun ownership by their grandpa or father.

They’ve been told, “Some scary other owner is going to harm your family.” If I think my gun is going to keep me safe, then I can’t store it unloaded and locked. It has to be loaded in the bedside table. It has to be in the living room cabinet. That’s when suicides are happening.

MP: Sounds like you’re getting back to the idea that many suicides are an impulsive act that cannot be avoided.

NNB: Not unless a gun is stored locked and unloaded. Easy access allows the 20-year-old young man to grab a loaded gun and use it on the worst day of his life.

So many pastors spend time with families that have lost members to gun suicide. The vast majority of times the gun that was used for the suicide belongs to a relative. The pain of the person who owned the gun and didn’t have it stored locked and unloaded is something they never get over.

We know that any gun in a household is 22 times more likely to be used to injure or kill someone in that household than it is to injure or kill an outside threatening presence.

MP: So again, you’re saying reducing gun suicide is as easy as limiting the access to guns in a house, making it harder to just pick one up and shoot.

NNB: Yes. There’s no going back with a gun. According to the study I mentioned earlier, suicide attempts by a gun are 42 times more effective than any other means of suicide.

Nine times out of 10, if someone survives a suicide attempt they will never attempt suicide again. The gun lobby says, “If they don’t have a gun, they’ll just try kill themselves another way.” That is not statistically true.

MP: So far, we’ve been talking about suicide by firearms in suburban and rural communities. Does limiting access to guns reduce gun violence in urban areas?

NNB:  Our whole state is victimized by gun violence, not just one little part of the urban core. The same good, common-sense legislation that would help in the urban core to lower homicide rate would also prevent suicide in rural and suburban Minnesota.

MP: What communities are most impacted by this form of suicide?

NNB: Suicide deaths by gun are an overwhelmingly white phenomenon. From 2008-2010, there were about 800 white Minnesotans killed by suicide by gun compared to just 17 black Minnesotans. But the NRA still tells us that gun violence is a black problem.

This doesn’t mean that we don’t care about the terrible violence going on in north Minneapolis and other communities of disparity in our state. But even as we talk about this we cannot give our lawmakers an out by not talking about suicide by gun.

We can’t forget that the highest rate of suicide in Minnesota is actually among American Indian young men. That’s largely a rural population with easy access to guns.

MP: I grew up in a rural area. My father was a hunter who stored his unloaded rifles in a cabinet. What is your experience with hunting culture? 

NNB: I was a city kid and a suburban kid. My own family never had a hunting tradition. But after serving a congregation in Coon Rapids, I have many, many close friends who are in the hunting tradition. Protect Minnesota is not anti-gun. We are anti-gun violence. We are not anti the Second Amendment. We are not trying to take guns away. We just want to make guns safer.

MP: Do you believe that your organization has the support of most Minnesotans? 

NNB: The goal of Protect Minnesota is to get the attention of lawmakers statewide and nationally. We provide a platform to say, “People care about this issue. We care about gun safety.”

In a poll conducted by Americans for Responsible Solutions, 86 percent of Minnesotans support closing loopholes in current law that allow convicted felons and domestic abusers to buy guns without a background check at gun shows and online. Why can’t we get this bill out of committee? Who are these lawmakers that are choosing to represent the minority of people in this state who do not want universal background checks? The numbers are clear. You can’t even get 86 percent of Minnesotans to agree that they like ice cream.

MP: You don’t have a significant history of political activism. What led you to this role?

NNB: I’m new to the game. Protect Minnesota has been around for 25 years. It started out as a coalition of centrist statewide groups, including the Minnesota Public Health Association, NAACP, League of Women Voters, physicians groups, the teachers’ association, the Minnesota Nurses Association. Protect Minnesota got the first legislation passed in the country that added domestic abusers to the list of prohibited purchasers of guns.

I have been in this role for six months. After San Bernardino, I saw myself typing on Facebook, “If someone would pay me to do gun prevention full time, I’d even leave the parish.” Then I saw the help wanted ad for this position.

I felt like God was calling my bluff.

I am very fortunate to be getting into this fight now. I care a lot about this issue. I’ve given up a lot for this job. I had a pretty cozy deal as a senior pastor of a 2,000-member congregation, but I left it for this role. I’m all in.

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Comments (7)

Resurrecting Old False Arguments?

Gun Control and Suicide. Please allow me to establish this thread for clarification of comments.

We've heard this one before, but not for quite awhile. To conflate "gun control" with gun suicide [the implied/inferred thesis here] may hit some sensitive public buttons [that's OK]; however, as usual, it simply ignores the foundational issues of suicide. Of course the easy access to any firearm may facilitate suicide, as does similar access to many other agents of death. We all know this. Keep in mind here the topic is "suicide," not "homicide." The general gun argument is significantly (probably inadvertently) weakened here by the simple deduction that only 18% of Minnesota gun deaths are accidental or homicidal, including by law enforcement incidents or interpersonal citizen shootings.

I'll leave this at that, for others to comment. Please remember this is a very old position, pretty much weakened by statistical realities over many years. A major problem with the Minnesota reality is simply stated here:

"Although Protect Minnesota has been combating gun suicide for 25 years, they have recently begun developing new programs in this area. When I called Bence last week to learn more about her organization’s stance on this issue, she explained that 82 percent of gun deaths in Minnesota are suicide."

Contradictions

I believe we all genuinely want to reduce all forms of violence in Minnesota and the US in general. To paint your political opponent as uncaring and unfeeling in this regard is extremely disingenuous.

To her points:

Ms. Nord Bence contradicts herself several times in this "article".

She and her gun control group are looking for so-called "universal" background checks because people are committing suicide - yet, then admits that most of those suicides are caused by guns already in the home. Which is it Ms. Nord Bence? Are they caused by people buying a gun, or by guns they already own?

Also - "We are not trying to take guns away". Your organization has lobbied time and again for gun bans. Please be honest in your statements. People can simply Google "Protect Minnesota gun ban" for numerous examples of your lobbying in the past.

Suicide

I have always heard that if someone survives a suicide attempt, he or she will likely attempt it again, until they get it right.

I Assume You Mean

Until they get it tragically wrong.

how about ....

.... we work to make suicide less interesting? Guns are used a lot in suicide, especially by men, but there is an infinite array of options for doing oneself in, should guns not be available.

Perhaps if we funded mental health treatment fully, so that people in crisis mental illness situations don't have to be hospitalized to get immediate help?

Perhaps if we treated mental health treatment as co-equal with interventions for other diseases, like cancer and cardiovascular blocks, we'd see fewer people using guns for a permanent solution to problems that may be temporary and solvable.

I believe background checks that include review of civil and criminal records for violent behavior patterns and serious mental illness - which would disqualify an individual from gun ownership - would help a lot. But I know that when people have mental health crises in our state, it can take weeks to see someone to help, and that just doesn't work out well. If we could fix that link, it would help

Let's save lives....

" We know that suicide is an impulsive act. Every step you can put between the moment when someone wants to kill themselves and when they can get their hands on a loaded gun, a suicide is less likely to happen.

We need to make suicide more difficult. Walking across a room, opening a safe, getting ammo, loading the gun, these are all steps along the way when a person can change their minds."

Sounds like a waiting period or other restrictions for abortions would save many more lives.

Suicide in Countries with Restrictive Gun Laws

With nearly no civilian gun ownership, the rate of suicide in Japan is nearly twice that of the U.S. Let's not pretend that guns cause suicide or that reduction of guns is a suicide solution. In Japan, twice the suicide rate is achieved by what some term "less lethal" methods. While rare in the U.S., detergent suicide is common in Japan. But dead is dead, and the fact that people in Japan have no access to guns is not keeping them safe from suicide.

This Washington Post link leads to a table of suicide rate by country. South Korea has the highest suicide rate and very restrictive gun laws.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html

As the Washington Post graphic clearly shows, many countries have higher suicides rates that the United States, even Canada.

Restricting access from guns does not deal with the root cause of suicide. Unless you are dealing with the root cause of a problem, you are not attacking the problem but merely playing around the periphery.