Mondale offers advice to Obama and talks about racism in politics

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Former Vice President Walter Mondale last night offered pointed advice to President Obama as he attempts to prod Congress on health care and a plethora of politically difficult legislation: Push harder.

And on the topic of the animosity toward Obama and his legislative priorities, Mondale acknowledged that he agreed with former President Jimmy Carter, who recently said that racism was behind some of the criticism.

But the focus of Mondale’s address to a gathering at George Washington University was the state of Obama’s presidency and what Obama needs to do to succeed.

“Having served in the Senate for a long time, I would say he has to learn how to push a little harder,” said Mondale, who represented Minnesota in the Senate for more than a decade. “It’s nice to talk. It’s nice to debate. But, when there are big issues, the president has to get personally, and intentionally, involved in order to move the Congress. And, I think we’re at the point where the president must [do this] to get from where we are to where we’re gonna go.”

As Congress has grown increasingly polarized over the years, Mondale said, it has become harder to bring the two sides, or even one side, together.

“I hope that’s changing now,” Mondale said. “But, it is discouraging to watch this health care debate… I’ve been surprised by the rigidity of it all. I thought maybe in the Senate Finance Committee, on which I served, that [Chairman] Max Baucus’s attempt to bring a group together and spend weeks in quiet, private discussions would bring forth something that we could work with, but it doesn’t appear that it has.”

Walter Mondale
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Walter Mondale

Frank Sesno, a professor at George Washington and director of the School of Media and Public Affairs who moderated the event on politics and public affairs, pointed out that Mondale had served in Congress at a contentious time, too.

“…It was a very partisan time,” Sesno said. “I mean, Vietnam was ripping the country apart for part of that time. And, you had civil rights that was ripping the country apart. And, so, do you think that it [Congress] is somehow nastier now, or more divided than before?”

Mondale’s said that while the country was divided in many ways during his time in Congress, the lawmakers seemed more able to come together on legislation.

“All of the civil rights legislation, none of it would have passed without a strong delegation of Republicans,” he said.

Mondale attributes the increased vitriol in political discussions to a movement that, he said, gained critical momentum with former President Ronald Reagan. (Mondale lost the presidential election to Reagan in 1984.)

“People really were getting tired of government,” Mondale said. “They really thought the economy could do it all — that if you just let the economy rip, [and] you don’t regulate it, all kinds of magic occurs.”

Mondale described it as a rising wave of “economic fundamentalism” and “religious rigidity.”

“And, I think those sort of ideological positions, which they insist on pressing on the American people, had its effect everywhere, including on Minnesota,” Mondale said. “And, sort of the cost of the harshness of that argument was that I think we lost a lot of civility.”

Criticism and racism
Sesno also asked Mondale about criticism of Obama, posing this question: “Your former boss, Jimmy Carter… said the other day that he thinks race is responsible for some of [this criticism of Obama]. Do you agree?”

Mondale paused to consider his answer. After a moment, he said, “Yeah.”

“Having lived through those years when civil rights was such a bitter issue… I know that some of that must still be around,” Mondale said.

But, he cautioned, he did not want to overstate the case or accuse any specific person of being a racist.

“I find it’s hard to talk about because I think most Americans are not racist — he [Obama] wouldn’t have been elected with the tremendous support that he got. People had to consider this when they voted, and so I think we are a country that [has] made a lot of progress,” Mondale said. “But, some of these debates, and some of these issues as they’re being discussed — I think I see an edge in them that’s a little bit different, a little harsher, than I have seen in other times.”

Role of VEEP
Sesno also asked Mondale about the role he played in strengthening the position of vice president.

Reading from a memo that Mondale wrote to Carter outlining the problems that he would want addressed before accepting the job of vice president, Sesno said:

“Generally speaking, you write: The vice president has performed a role characterized by ambiguity, disappointment, even antagonism… competition with the President, you go on, conflict with the White House staff, lack of meaningful assignments, lack of authority and inadequate access to vital information…”

“Great job description,” Sesno concluded.

“[And] that’s just part of the list,” Mondale said.

Under the Carter-Mondale administration, the vice presidency became a stronger, more substantive position, and has remained that way since, former Vice President Al Gore said in a documentary of Mondale’s life in public service, which was shown at the event on Wednesday.

According to Gore, U.S. vice presidents in America can be grouped into distinct categories: “Pre Walter Mondale and Post Walter Mondale.”

Sesno then asked Mondale, an advocate for activist vice presidencies, to evaluate Cheney, considered one of the most activist vice presidents in U.S. history.

Mondale was unequivocal: “I believe Cheney went off the rails,” he said. “I think that the vice president is in a position where they have to be very careful about obeying the law and when they speak to the American people they have to be careful.”

Mondale said the Bush-Cheney administration abused the law numerous times, and then lied about it.

“I think the record is pretty bad and it hurt our country, and I’m sorry about it,” Mondale said. “And I’m pretty direct about it because it hurts me because I think it diminishes public respect for the process.

“This is an important principle in America,” he said. “…We are stronger when the President complies with the law, regardless of the enemy.”

Intelligence gathering
On some of the mysteries surrounding intelligence gathering and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Mondale said Obama should support some kind of truth commission, like the one that Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has proposed.

“There is a big dark hole surrounding what happened in those six or eight years. There is a big debate about what happened,” Mondale said. “I think we would all be better off if we could take Pat Leahy’s recommendation and have a truth commission to get into it. And just let’s get the facts.”

Still, Mondale said, Obama has done “very well” in confronting what he described as a “range of miserable issues,” including the financial collapse and the subsequent bailout, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mondale also praised Obama’s Cabinet selections, including Secretary of State Hilary Rodham Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

“I think Secretary Gates is going to go down as one of the historically superb” secretaries of Defense, Mondale said.

Another plus of the Obama presidency? Without mentioning Bush, Mondale quipped: “I think it has been a long time since we had a President [who was] articulate and clear. I find it a great relief just to hear someone who makes sense.”

Cynthia Dizikes covers Minnesota’s congressional delegation and reports on issues and developments in Washington, D.C. She can be reached at cdizikes[at]minnpost[dot]com.

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Comments (6)

  1. Submitted by Lyncoln Traynor on 09/24/2009 - 03:01 pm.

    I think it has been a long time since we had a real representative of the people. Sadly, Bill Clinton is the first to come to mind.

    Bias seems to have become the hallmark of reporting. This is a puff piece….end of story.

    Obama is already rushing legislation like someone with a two year window. He is right of course.

  2. Submitted by Ron Gotzman on 09/24/2009 - 03:03 pm.

    The Dems drag out Carter and now Mondale…what a legacy!

  3. Submitted by Eric Ferguson on 09/24/2009 - 04:34 pm.

    Lyncoln, this was a report on what Mondale said in a speech. What did you expect the reporter to do, shout “you lie!” like a jackass?

    And you have a pretty bizarre definition of “rushing”.

  4. Submitted by John Jordan on 09/24/2009 - 06:07 pm.

    For eight years dissent was “patriotic”. Now it’s “racist”.

    Shame on any neo-liberal who makes such an unamerican statement about their fellow citizens for having differing opinions.

  5. Submitted by Howard Miller on 09/24/2009 - 08:21 pm.

    Mr. Jordan, dissent from the President’s position was not welcomed as patriotic by Republicans from 01-07.

    You haven’t seen or heard racist statements about the President? Or at least statements that straddle the line?

    And i don’t think either Mr. Carter or Mr. Mondale have implied all the dissent was racist; some of it is driven by that. i’d even bet that they’d agree there was some unpatriotic protest during the Bush years;

    as well as patriotic protest that was shouted down and suppressed. Remember Ari Fleishman saying (paraphrasing) “Americans should watch what they say, what they do.” Leading Republicans and hate-show anchors referred to the political opposition as “cut-and-run surrender monkeys” for suggesting anything but what Bush was doing

  6. Submitted by Lyncoln Traynor on 09/24/2009 - 09:10 pm.

    Hey Eric, we’re arguing in the House about having 72 hours to review legislation. The Messiah himself promised 5 days. God gave 7 days. Nancy and Harry are bucking against 3!…go figure.

    What’s to hide before passage?

    Jus’ Thinkin’

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