2011 Minnesota government shutdown slide show

MinnPost contributing journalists Terry Gydesen and James Nord were on hand Thursday evening to capture the moments leading up to the government shutdown.

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Comments (9)

  1. Submitted by David Willard on 07/02/2011 - 09:50 am.

    Be nice if you could run all these government programs on good intentions. It takes money though, children. Lots and lots of money. Sorry. We ran out.

  2. Submitted by jody rooney on 07/02/2011 - 09:36 pm.

    We didn’t run out of money for these folks David we just chose to spend it differently.

    I am sure that if they stopped the homestead tax credit we would have more than enough money to pay for “good intentions”. We could also charge recreation users fees to support the maintenance of the facilities. We could stop wasting money on LCMR, Lessard Sam, and some DEED Services.

    I can’t argue that the state doesn’t need to evaluate programs and tax expenditures (read tax credits and deductions) and eliminate those that don’t get the outcome the legislature wanted.

    It isn’t a money issue as much as an equity issue on tax fairness so people have a somewhat progressive tax incidence and spending – subsidy priorities.

  3. Submitted by will lynott on 07/03/2011 - 01:16 pm.

    Naw, there’s lots of money out there, in the piggy banks of the rich. A modest tax increase will not even dent them. Sorry to break your toy.

  4. Submitted by Ginny Martin on 07/04/2011 - 11:50 am.

    Does any one (republican) have an answer to why and how a 3% (or maybe less) tax on millionaires is a “jobkiller”? I haven’t heard any rational answer. Nor is there the slightest evidence that that is the result. In fact, there are credible, and longstanding statistics and evidence that not only do they NOT kill jobs, it spurs prosperity by funding programs that money into the hands of those who will spend it.
    So who can explain the rationale–apart from ideology and the ideology of no new taxes?

  5. Submitted by Alex Danzberger on 07/04/2011 - 05:01 pm.

    So, here’s a question for all you out there that feel the answer is higher taxes. What do the “Rich” owe us and why? They worked for it. They earned it. We have no idea what sacrifices they may have made to succeed in their career. How much it cost them to get to where they are. So, why does everybody feel so entitled to dig into somebody else’s pocket to satiate their fiscal needs? Are you going to say “Because they have more than they need”? Hmmm…isn’t that being a bit judgmental? Governments treats taxes like an entitlement and seem unable to show fiscal restraint. Politicians are egotists that relish in seeing their name carved in stone on pet projects as testimony to their greatness. If they want an enduring legacy, break the mold and show tax payers and the money they part with the due respect they deserve for supporting the system.

  6. Submitted by will lynott on 07/04/2011 - 08:30 pm.

    Jeez, #5, I hate having to go over this again. Actually, I think I’m wasting my time. But here goes.

    1. Many of the rich, so called, are rich because they inherited money. They make much of their living off capital gains and the stock market, which is taxed at an appallingly low rate, considering that they didn’t lift a finger to earn it. This does nothing to create jobs or advance the middle class.

    2. The rich, so called, benefited hugely from the misbegotten Pawlenty/Janos (and Bush)tax cuts and rebates at the turn of the century. They did not create jobs or otherwise expand their businesses with their windfall. Instead, they bought bigger starter castles, more cars, and bigger stock market gains. Have you checked the unemployment numbers lately? Tax cut do not produce jobs. They enable greed. This has been proven over and over again for the last 30 years. Have you been paying attention? Or not?

    3. Why do the rich owe us? Surely you jest. Many of the rich are CEOs and top executives. Their success depends on an educated workforce, good transportation systems, technological innovation, good schools, peaceful neighborhoods, and a high quality of life. This takes long term public investment, something republicans 30 years ago understood. The current crop of bozos understand nothing except short term profit. The current crop of R “legislators” wants to gut education, transportation, and other public investment. And, as comments on this board clearly indicate, they don’t give a damn about anyone as long as they’ve got theirs.

    4. When they threaten to send the jobs overseas because eight year olds there will work for peanuts, do you support them? And when was the last time you heard a CEO threaten to move himself and his family to Burma along with the jobs that support his lifestyle?

    5. For sometime now, republican policy has been to privatize the profits and socialize the costs. Thus we have Wall St bailouts (that means they screwed up) for millionaires who pay each other obscene salaries and bonuses, and families who can’t keep their homes. You okay with that?

    What do they owe us? Jeez, put a sock in it.

  7. Submitted by Alex Danzberger on 07/05/2011 - 07:44 am.

    #6, come on. Really? From which liberal fan page have you taken such drivel?

    #1. Inherited money? Where are your statistics on that one? Even if they did inherit it, that is a whole different matter, ie, estate tax. And let’s not go there. It is estimated that only 20% of millionaires inherited their money and the other 80% are first generation millionaires that worked for it and are still working for it, living within their means and saving money. Source: 7 Millionaire Myths, Claire Bradley, August, 2010.

    #2. Small businesses dominate the US economy and such small business owners do hire and invest. I’ve worked for two “start ups” and been deeply involved with several others for work and they are all hiring workers and investing for the future-and not living beyond their means at the expense of their companies. Yes, I have been paying attention but believe at the margin that high tax rates do hurt economic expansion. Structural employment is a matter of deep concern, but it isn’t something that can be addressed with tax policy. See #4 below.

    #3. Why are CEOs and “top executives” a target here? Where do you get that data from? Minnesota has 7,700 “millionaires” according to our Governor. Hmmm…I don’t see enough businesses to account for such a number. And so what if they are? Such CEOs and “Top Executives” do what they do in the interest of their companies and shareholders – which is what they are hired to do. Unfortunatley, difficult decisions have to be made to maintain the competiviness of a business. Otherwise, everybody suffers.

    #4. How can an American company’s products compete in a global market if they do not address labor costs? It is unfortunate to see jobs leave our shores, but let’s not forget why this often happens: regulatory burden and unions. America has made its bed and now is sleeping in it. Demand for ever lower prices and a deep distaste for factory work. So, products get sourced overseas to satisfy consumers’ wants.

    #5. “Privatize the profits and socialize the costs” Boy, that is a great political slogan if I ever heard one. I am not ok with people not being held accountable for their actions and decisions. I am not ok with people buying houses way beyond their means and believing it is ok because of some sort of financial alchemy. I am not ok if they are not educated enough to understand what it is they are agreeing to. I am not ok if the government bails out people making bad decisions and asking the rest of the country to pay for it. I am not ok with industries being bailed out with no consequences to the players involved. Nor am I ok with the government bailing our certain sectors for political favoritism. Nor am I ok with the government stepping into whole sectors of the economy to enhance and extend the nanny state such as they did with healthcare.

    And no, I won’t “put a sock in it” because I strongly believe that what is wrong with this country is that we have become too accomodating and too accepting of a liberal, nanny state mentality that is driving us towards fiscal ruin. While all are created equal in the eyes of God, not everybody has equal abilities and it is not the job of government to treat this reality as a public policy mandate to foment class warfare.

    Still waiting for the answer to: Why do the “rich” owe us anything? I do believe that most people that have the means are willing to pay higher taxes, but fight vehemently against raising taxes because all they see is their money being tossed down a rat hole by politicians that seem to have ZERO understanding of the concept of fiscal responsibility.

  8. Submitted by will lynott on 07/07/2011 - 11:49 am.

    I gave you your answer. Too bad your beliefs get in the way of understanding. I was right–I’m wasting my time. You are, too–wasting my time, that is.

  9. Submitted by will lynott on 07/07/2011 - 12:21 pm.

    …and I have better uses for it.

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