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Upcoming wave of aging Minnesotans will need better-coordinated, smarter supports, panel says

MinnPost photo by Andrew Wallmeyer
Northrop's Best Buy Theater was filled to near capacity for last week's MinnPost panel discussion sponsored by UCare.

While seniors in Minnesotans enjoy a comparatively good health-care system, it is expensive, fragmented and complicated, panelists said during an event designed to explore how Minnesota can better care for its aging population. And it reflects doctors, patients’ and families’ inclination to take all possible measures at the very end of life, spending enormous sums of money when death is likely near.

The panel discussion, entitled “Preparing for the ‘Silver Tsunami,’ ” drew more than 120 people to the Northrop’s Best Buy Theater on the University of Minnesota campus. 

The panelists, five leaders from various sectors in the state’s health and aging-services community, tackled where the Minnesota health-care system stands now in comparison to other states — and what should be done to prepare for the approaching retirement of the baby-boom generation. Mary Jo George of AARP, state Sen. Tony Lourey, Gayle Kvenvold of LeadingAge Minnesota, Dawn Simonson of Metropolitan Area Agency on Aging and Dr. Thomas Klemond of Park Nicollet Health Services also put forward ideas to educate consumers in navigating the system, to encourage an affordable model of person-centered care and to advance relationships between doctors and families.

Organized by MinnPost, the event was sponsored by UCare and moderated by Susan Albright, the managing editor of MinnPost. 

“Minnesotans — through state, community and individual actions — must get ready for what we know is going to be a gigantic wave of elders,” Albright said in her opening remarks before she asked the panelists to assess how Minnesotans are doing in preparing for the demographic change.

“We’re not doing all that bad if you look at some of the data,” George said. Citing a study, she added that Minnesota has in fact the best health-care system in the nation: “It’s impressive that Minnesota, over all, is No. 1. And I think we have to be proud of that.”

A need for livable communities

A closer reading of the study, however, shows some troubling concerns about the long-term health-care system, George said. Many older people with low care needs live in nursing homes and others are unnecessarily hospitalized.

“Our system is way too fragmented, way too expensive and way too complicated for consumers to navigate,” George told the audience. “We have to create the livable communities so that we have the supports so that people can live in their homes, because that’s what people want to do.”

Lourey said that he’s concerned about the future of Minnesota’s health-care system, especially since more and more people are retiring and fewer people are replacing them in the work force. Kvenvold echoed the sentiment: “I’ve been traveling the state for the last couple of weeks, and we have pretty deep shortages of caregivers in regions of our state — and that’s the flipside of what we call the ‘silver tsunami.’ ”

Mary Jo George, Tony Lourey and Gayle Kvenvold
MinnPost photo by Andrew Wallmeyer
Panelists included AARP Associate State Director – Advocacy Mary Jo George, state Sen. Tony Lourey, and LeadingAge Minnesota President/CEO Gayle Kvenvold.

And when Minnesota loses workers, Lourey added, the consequence is that taxpayers won’t be able to sustain the system that’s currently in place. “About two-thirds of the long-term care falls on the public support system,” he said. “And that becomes unsustainable as people age and need the supports.” 

Lourey encouraged more engagement with communities and aging individuals to improve the system. “It’s a system that we all have to take ownership of and do our best to move away from,” he said.

‘We are a fighting culture’

Panelists also discussed end-of-life care planning, with some of them encouraging the public to consider engaging in more such conversations.

Lourey said people are fearful of the conversation and of getting old. “The words that we use are very important. And when we start talking about choices about how we die, you know, you’re going to say, “No, no, no. I’m not going to go there.”

He added: “It’s more about choices about how we live as we age. And that’s some of the things we’re really trying to deliver through the legislature.”

Lourey shared a story with the audience about his grandmother, who “didn’t have much time left” and whose physical and mental health had dwindled. One day, Lourey said, his grandmother fell and broke a hip.

Three days after the hip was replaced, she died. “This was a complete misuse of the health-care system and not one that she would have chosen,” Lourey said.

Dr. Klemond, who chairs the Palliative Medicine and Community Care Department at Park Nicollet, expressed both hopefulness and worry about the current care system.  “We’re a fighting culture,” he said. “We are a culture that responds to challenges. And that’s what gives me hope, as I look at all the good work that has been done already.” 

“But the fighter culture is also a bit of an enemy to us, especially in a world where everyone does die ultimately,” he added. “And we have this sort of phenomenon of the unwritten rule that you must do what you can to live or else you’ll be perceived as weak or a failure. And we’ve set up our system with that in mind. Our system is a product of our culture and product of our values. So there’s often no honor in a choice not to continue treatment. And there’s a lot of fear.” 

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Comments (3)

  1. Submitted by Greg Kapphahn on 11/02/2015 - 12:57 pm.

    MONEY is the Issue

    I’m disappointed that Senator Lourey used to SAME OLD political B.S. phrase that we’ve heard Republicans use for so long,…

    that the current system is “UNSUSTAINABLE,”…

    because what those who use that word mean is that we Baby Boomers, ourselves,…

    are not going to be “sustained.” as we age and need more care….

    because it would cost too much.

    What NO ONE is willing to say is how we might pay for care and housing for “boomers” as they retire and age,…

    (they simply make it clear, without saying it outright, that it WILL NOT be paid for),…

    and that us baby boomers better be prepared for poverty, inadequate medical care, and housing that does not meet our needs,…

    because those currently making the decisions at the state level WILL NOT even raise the issue of paying for all of US to be cared for in our old age,…

    in the same ways we made sure the generations before us were cared for.

    The fact is, of course, that the resources ARE available in our society to cover these costs,…

    and NO OTHER entity but government has the ability to martial those resources.

    But far too many of our “conservative” friends and politicians have been worshiping at the feet of Grover Norquist for far too long,…

    and far too many of our DFL politicians have grown so allergic to the charge that all they want to do is raise taxes and spend money,…

    and far too many DFLers seem to have lost the ability to justify the legitimate needs for some tax increases or fight for the needs of those who ARE in need,…

    that NONE of our political leaders currently possesses the courage to propose and fight for the funding needed to meet what’s coming.

    Lacking the guts to face the problem head on, our leaders will just continue doing what this panel evidently did,…

    kick the problem around, propose zero solutions (especially not the OBVIOUS one) and hope for a plague to arrive that will kill off all us boomers before they have to face up to the reality of what it will cost to address our “silver tsunami,”…

    a plague which would allow them to continue to obscure the reality that they have no intention of making any effort to meet the costs necessary to care for us “boomers” as we age, retire, and eventually die.

    • Submitted by Dan Landherr on 11/06/2015 - 02:24 pm.

      Haven’t the boomers dumped enough debt on upcoming generations?

      Maybe the answer is the boomers can pay for it. They haven’t paid fully for anything else.

  2. Submitted by Susan Maricle on 11/04/2015 - 08:47 am.

    No simple solution

    Because it’s a little from column A, a little from column B.

    We’ve had two elderly family members pass away in the past year. The local human services agency (consisting of three county departments that consolidated to save money) was backed up for months. Employee turnover is constant, which means more money spent on training.

    Government can be shrunk to the point of ineffectiveness. We needed a recorded copy of the deed to the house. The county assessor had a yearlong backup.

    The two family members racked up hundreds of thousands of dollars in hospitalization bills for diseases resulting from preventable issues. So yes, personal responsibility does play a role.

    We applied for MA in June, were denied last month, and are waiting for a verdict on the appeal. To anyone who worries that all you have to do is shake-shake-shake the entitlement tree and benefits rain down like manna, don’t worry. It ain’t that easy.

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