Rep. Maxine Waters speaking to the press while standing with protesters in front of the Brooklyn Center Police Department on April 17.
Rep. Maxine Waters speaking to the press while standing with protesters in front of the Brooklyn Center Police Department on April 17. Credit: REUTERS/Octavio Jones

Rep. Maxine Waters, a Democrat who represents southern Los Angeles, traveled to Minnesota last weekend and joined protesters in Brooklyn Center Saturday night, telling the crowd she hoped for a guilty verdict in reference to the ongoing murder trial for Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer charged with killing George Floyd last May.

“I hope we get a verdict that says guilty, guilty, guilty,” Rep. Waters said. “And if we don’t, we cannot go away. We’ve got to stay on the street. We get more active, we’ve got to get more confrontational. We’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”

Eric J. Nelson, Chauvin’s defense attorney, said in a motion for a mistrial after closing arguments Monday that Waters’ comments could have swayed the jury’s opinions on the case.

“An elected official, a United States congressperson, was making what I interpreted to be — what I think are reasonably interpreted to be — threats against the sanctity of the jury process,” Nelson said. “There is a high probability that members of this jury have seen these comments.”

Judge Peter A. Cahill, who presided over the Chauvin case, dismissed Nelson’s motion but admonished Rep. Waters from the bench Monday.

“I’ll give you that Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned,” Judge Cahill said. “I wish elected officials would stop talking about this case especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law and to the judicial branch and our function.

“I think if they want to give their opinions, they should do so in a respectful and in a manner that is consistent with their oath to the Constitution, to respect a coequal branch of government,” he said. “Their failure to do so, I think, is abhorrent.”

Despite that concession, Cahill, who ended every day of the trial by telling jurors, “Have a good night and don’t watch the news,” said that jurors would not have been directly exposed to Rep. Waters’ — or anyone else’s — comments during the trial.

Waters’ comments made waves in Minnesota and Washington, and led to widespread condemnation from Republicans. But could they actually provide a basis for appeal of Chauvin’s guilty verdict?

The appeals process

Chauvin was found guilty on all three counts that he was charged with: second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. After the jury reached its verdict and Cahill announced it to the court and the world, Chauvin was taken into police custody and is being held in the Minnesota Correctional Facility-Oak Park Heights, a maximum-security prison outside of Minneapolis. He’ll likely stay there until sentencing, which Cahill said would occur about eight weeks after the verdict was given.

During those eight weeks, the defense will be poring over all details of the case including jury instructions guides and any outside factors that may have influenced the jury in making their verdict. The defense will also examine each guilty charge to determine whether the law was applied correctly. And in the off-chance that a member of the jury comes forward to say that they or someone else in the jury had watched or read the news against Judge Cahill’s instructions, the defense could use that as a pillar on which to base an appeal.

If the defense does file for an appeal — and they almost certainly will — the case will be sent to the Minnesota Court of Appeals, which will select a panel of judges to review the case based on the defense’s arguments. If an appeal is granted, the lower court’s decision may be reversed in whole or in part. If the appeal is denied, the lower court’s decision stands.

The most likely grounds for appeal, according to legal experts, would be that jurors were influenced by outside sources. These may include Rep. Waters’ comments, protests that erupted during the trial in Brooklyn Center after another Black man, Daunte Wright, was killed by police and Minneapolis’ $27 million settlement to George Floyd’s family.

Appellate court judges will then make a decision: If they find the defense’s case valid, they could overturn the conviction. If the conviction is overturned, the prosecution team — led by Jerry W. Blackwell, a corporate attorney selected by Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison — could then appeal the decision to the Minnesota Supreme Court. Alternatively, if the appellate court denies the defense’s appeal, the defense can also appeal again to get the case in front of the Minnesota Supreme Court.

If the case reaches the Minnesota Supreme Court and those justices once again overturn the conviction or remand the case for a new trial, the trial process could start all over again with the selection of a new jury.

Legal experts don’t think this possibility is very likely, but they do see several avenues the defense could take in appealing Chauvin’s case.

Other grounds for appeal

“Certainly what the defense was trying to do is create a record for an appeal, and you’ve seen that throughout the trial,” said Mary Moriarty, former Hennepin County chief public defender, in reference to Nelson bringing up Rep. Water’s comments at the end of the trial. “In this situation, it seems relatively minor compared to the other things that have been said during this trial.”

Cahill said that if the jury were following his instructions, none of the jurors would have been reading, watching or listening to the news and so Rep. Waters’ comments should not have influenced any of them. But the jurors were not officially sequestered — kept physically separate from others — until Monday, after Waters’ comments had already made the news.

Although the Waters situation may have some sway in the appeals process, Moriarty thinks other options are more likely.

“None of us knows if the jurors heard that or if they saw it,” Moriarty said. “I think it’s relatively meaningless in the ocean of all of the things that have been said publicly since George Floyd died.”

According to Moriarty and other legal experts, the most damaging thing to the prosecution in this case may have been the press conference announcing that the city of Minneapolis would pay $27 million to settle a civil lawsuit from George Floyd’s family. This settlement occurred in the middle of jury selection, when potential jurors could have been exposed to media coverage of the event. The defense brought this up during jury selection, but Cahill did not see it as reason to restart the trial.

“The jurors were told not to watch the news. But you never know,” said Richard Frase, professor of criminal law at the University of Minnesota. “They weren’t sequestered until they delivered their verdict so the defense might try to appeal that [the media coverage] was undue pressure on the jury to produce a certain verdict.”

The decision to not move the trial out of Minneapolis could be another basis for appeal. Before the trial began, Judge Cahill considered moving the trial out of the city — this is common practice for cases that receive a lot of attention within the communities in which the crime was committed. The argument for this usually stems from expecting that a jury outside the community would have the ability to be more fair and impartial to a case that was not on their radar.

With the Chauvin case, though, it seemed as though the entire nation, if not the world, had seen the mass protests that broke out after Floyd was killed. Many people in Minnesota would have already either seen the video of Floyd’s death or at least been aware of what happened.

“That was a difficult choice, but there was so much publicity all around the state that it would be hard to find a place where most people haven’t heard something about the case,” Frase said. “And logistics are much more difficult if you’re not doing it in Minneapolis. I don’t think [an appeal] will be successful unless there’s specific information about jurors listening to the news in a way that might bias them.”

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  1. And the jurors weren’t influenced by all the commentators online and in the media who said that George Floyd’s death was no big deal because of his past criminal record?

    1. Thank you for this comment !!! Right wing media attacked George Floyd relentlessly. They are contemptible!

  2. I’d be more worried if it was the governor or the mayor or a local politician. Maxine Waters isn’t known for much of anything other than being one of the most corrupt members of congress.

  3. During jury selection, was the defense prohibited to ask if a juror could make a fair decision knowing an innocent decision would likely cause demonstrations, some of which could devolve to rioting?

  4. Suppose Rep. Waters had been asked what should be done if the verdict were guilty, guilty, guilty. Would her response have been to stop demonstrating, stop fighting for justice, all our work is done? Of course not. It would have been the same answer she gave: keep demonstrating, keep fighting, fight even harder. It’s Nelson’s job to throw everything at the wall and see if anything sticks. It’s the job of Republicans to engage in performative outrage. And its our job to see it for the ridiculousness that it is.

  5. The threats on the sanctity of the jury process in this case were beyond enumeration. What we have decide here is not whether there are threats to the system but rather whether our system is sturdy enough to withstand them.

  6. Sorry, counselor, your sadistic client will have to do his time. Democracy and jurisprudence have withstood all kinds of loose cannons, from Farrakhan and James Watt to Steve King and beyond, even a headline like “Manson Guilty, Nixon Declares” brandished in a courtroom. So I doubt the system can be collapsed by the silliness of some rickety, filter-free reincarnation of George Jefferson’s mother.

  7. I’m not familiar with the details of jury instructions in the Chauvin case. But normally jurors are instructed to not read or listen to media while on jury duty. It’s possible that Waters’ remarks didn’t reach the jurors. It’s a stretch to think they could be grounds for reversal.

  8. The speed at which the jurors returned their verdict, guilty on all three counts, indicates that the evidence was overwhelmingly in favor of that verdict. Conservatives have a very tenuous grip on reality, as is so vividly represented here in these comments, so they will grasp at anything to help promote whatever nonsense they feel they need to spout, but those of us still on planet earth saw that video, saw the satisfied look on Chauvin’s face and know that this is a just verdict.

    Also too, I’d really like to see the evidence of Maxine Waters’ corruption, something beyond the color or her skin would be nice. Maybe the commenter who said that would like to provide it here. And maybe give us your thoughts on corruption in the Last Admin, Father, sons, daughter and son-inlaw, all pure as the driven snow, correct?

    1. “In 2005, Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., was added to a liberal watchdog’s running list of the most corrupt members of Congress. Waters was added again in 2006 to the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington’s annual report on D.C. corruption. They added her again in 2009 and one more time in 2011.”

      1. Channeling one of your past icons of list keeping?

        “I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department.”

        Joe McCarthy, 1950…

      2. Oh, and thanks for your new found faith in CREW as a truth teller.

        Went there to see what good old Maxine has been up to lately but gave up 3 pages in:

        Money In Politics
        Senator who benefited from secret money suggests FEC failure to enforce the law is good
        Senator Richard Shelby has made it clear that he’s no fan of the reforms to the FEC in the For the People Act. Of course, he’s benefited from secret money.

        Money In Politics
        Mitch McConnell benefits from corporate cash. And corporations benefit from him.
        Perhaps more than any other politician, Mitch McConnell has both vigorously defended and benefited from big money in politics.

        Transparency
        OGE refuses to certify Kanye West’s financial disclosures, raising legal questions
        The Office of Government Ethics declined to certify Kanye West’s public financial disclosure report from his failed presidential run.

        Transparency
        Emails show DEA’s “covert surveillance” of racial justice protesters in Philadelphia, Chicago, Albuquerque
        The Drug Enforcement Administration did “covert surveillance” on racial justice protestors in Philadelphia, Chicago and Albuquerque.

        Corruption
        “Save America Summit” shows Trump’s dangerous corruption will not die out on its own
        Far from hiding their roles in the attempts to overturn the election, participants at the Save America Summit celebrated them.

        Corruption
        Former VA Deputy Secretary Thomas Bowman apparently violated Trump ethics pledge
        Thomas Bowman appears to have violated the Trump administration’s ethics pledge by lobbying the VA for the drug company Novartis.

        Money In Politics
        CREW requests Florida records on Publix coronavirus vaccine distribution
        Floridians deserves to know if the COVID-19 vaccine rollout was influenced by campaign funds and if it is neglecting low-income communities.

        Corruption
        CREW requests records on ICE and CBP unions’ outsized influence
        ICE and CBP officer unions are apparently undermining the Biden administration’s immigration policy with their outsized influence.

        Transparency
        Betsy DeVos made at least $225 million while education secretary
        Betsy DeVos reported at least $225 million — and potentially well over $414 million — in outside income while working as education secretary.

        Transparency
        Mnuchin blocking Trump tax returns from Congress was unprecedented, Treasury response reveals
        When Mnuchin blocked the release of Trump’s tax returns, it was the first time the IRS ever failed to turn over tax returns to Congress.

        Corruption
        Mar-a-Lago member Bruce Moskowitz had contacts with the White House and CMS
        Dr. Bruce Moskowitz turned his patronage of Trump into influence and contacts with federal officials and the White House.
        Corruption

        CREW requests records on Mnuchin lifting sanctions on Israeli billionaire Daniel Gertler
        Former-Treasury Secretary Mnuchin’s decision to lift Israeli billionaire Dan Gertler’s sanctions may have been shaped by his future pursuits.

        Transparency
        CREW request State and ODNI records on Richard Grenell
        If Richard Grenell is planning a run for office, the public deserves to know the depth of his damage to the Intelligence community.

        Transparency
        CREW requests Treasury records on Mnuchin’s Middle East trips and sovereign wealth funds
        Taxpayers should know if Mnuchin’s plans to establish a Middle East soverign wealth fund influenced his decisions as Treasury Secretary.

        Transparency
        DHS Federal Protective Services downplayed warning signs of violence on January 6th
        The day before the insurrection, the Department of Homeland Security Federal Protective Service (FPS) prepared statements downplaying the threat on January 6th.

        Corruption
        Trump properties in Indonesia received special tax status
        The Indonesian government granted a special tax status to a new development that includes three Trump-branded properties earlier this month.

        Transparency
        CREW requests costs of the Trump family’s extended Secret Service protection
        On one of Donald Trump’s last days in office, he took the unusual step of extending his children and grandchildren’s Secret Service protection after his presidency.

      1. No, you assumed everyone agreed with you that Maxine Waters was one of the most corrupt people in office. As we now know, its all small potatoes when we see the massive corruption that had been happening in the executive branch. It was so bad that the Justice Department took the unprecedented step of raiding the home of the former guy’s personal lawyer. I guess it was the sheer volume flowing from the White House that made me miss the fact that Maxine set up a meeting with a company that she and her husband own a couple hundred thousand dollars of stock in. Maybe its the measly amount that got me. The former buy blew more than Maxine’s entire investment every time he went to Mar A Lago for pete’s sake.

    2. My real point was that Waters is a clown and not someone to be taken seriously, so her comments should not have influenced the jury.

      1. Agreed: She has the same credibility as the White House in Exile in FL. with a lot less loyal followers.

        If every time DJT stuck his commenting nose into a judicial matter and it led to an appeal, the courts would quickly grind to a jammed halt…

  9. Republicans who bring this up are ignoring how false claims of a stolen election caused the storming of Capitol. She expressed her opinion and the reality that an acquittal would have produced a strong response. Anyone with any intelligence realized was true. As it was, they saw the evidence see did. No harm, no foul.

  10. Juror Lisa Christensen: “I didn’t want to go through this whole rioting and destruction again and [I was] a little concerned about people outside my house if they weren’t happy with the verdict.” on CBS This Morning 4/22/2021

    1. Are you suggesting it was an unfair or biased jury? They had ulterior motives?

    2. Alternative juror, not a juror, but facts never get in your way. I’m waiting for the rest of the quote, where she says, had I been a juror, I would not convict because I was afraid of what might happen. Oh wait, she did not say that did she.

    3. Wait a minute, I thought you guys now like and agree with FactCheck.org?

      “Quick Take

      An alternate juror in the trial of Derek Chauvin said she initially had “mixed feelings” about jury duty, because of concerns about “disappointing” either side and the possibility of “rioting.” She said she “would have said guilty,” but as an alternate did not participate in the verdict. Social media posts now use her words to erroneously imply that a juror admitted outside pressure was a factor in the verdict.”

      https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/posts-mislead-on-words-of-alternate-juror-in-chauvin-trial/

      Your slip sliding back to Trumpian Truth…

    4. In the Real World, she is identified as Alternate Juror Lisa Christensen, who heard the evidence but who took no part in the deliberations.

  11. There are some on here who want to make everything political. This is not a conservative vs. liberal issue. Most good conservatives see the Chauvin conviction as a triumph of the justice system. And we also applaud Judge Cahill for his comments and standing up to a bully whether it is Maxine Waters or Mitch McConnell.

    1. “Most good conservatives see the Chauvin conviction as a triumph of the justice system.”

      In this morning’s Glean, we see that a recent survey says that 46% of self-identified Republicans believe the jury reached the wrong verdict.

      If the takeaway is that the only good conservative is an ex-Republican, I’m not going to argue with that.

  12. Does anyone actually take Congresswoman Maxine Waters seriously? Why would anyone listen to her advice on anything? I doubt her “expertise” on a trial would affect the outcome.

    1. The sad part is that there are many who do. Rep. Waters is an opportunist and sees this as only a way to help her own cause and will do/say anything to be heard. Instead of promoting peace she proudly pushes forward hostility. This does nothing but make problems worse and moves the ountry backwards.
      The entire George Floyd thing is one huge tragedy. Most people believe that the right veridict was done. But instead Waters just made things worse. Her pathetic attitude gave Chauvin a lifeline because she put herself before the entire country.

  13. You can talk about republicans vs democrats on this. But the only fact is if she influenced the jurors. The statement from the headline says ‘Could’. Could this be the basis for an appeal? Absolutely it could be. A successful appeal? Who knows lets let it play out. To think there won’t be appeals of all kinds on this, is a fantasy.

  14. At any given moment, during any given day, there is a Democrat saying something weird. Fox News spends a fair amount of intern resource in searching for those statements which it can then blow up disproportionately. It is something, like the designated hitter rule in baseball with which I have learned to live.

    In the case of something Rep. Waters or anyone else might say, I would like to remind everyone that this is a free country, something the constitution provides for along with juries. If the standard for criminal justice is that no juror can ever be aloowed to hear something odd, no jury will ever be able to perform it’s function.

  15. Circling back to the original question about Representative Waters’ comments, a juror speaks:

    “We were really just locked in on the case,” Mitchell told ABC News’ Robin Roberts in his first television interview, which aired Wednesday on “Good Morning America.”
    “I mean, those things are just so secondary because you’re literally, throughout the trial, watching somebody die on a daily basis, so that stress alone is enough to take your mind away from whatever’s going on outside of the four walls of the courtroom,” he added.
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/derek-chauvin-juror-trial-watching-die-daily-basis/story?id=77361744

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